What Harry said. Also, I wasn't trying to ridicule YOU for your facts, or your wanting to do deep dives for stats. Poor wording on my part. I was just saying I'm not going to spend hours backing up to some random internet person what my eyes tell me, and what others' eyes tell them: That KM doesn't always slide well and that those slides, whatever the motivation, have hurt us. As a writer, I'll take the hit on the poor wording there. Constantly? I'll say when it's close to the first down marker, it's pretty often. It's happened more than 4 or 5 times in recent games (no, I'm not going to look) IMO, so it's a problem to me. Whether it's a mechanics problem, field awareness problem, or avoiding contact problem, I see it as a problem. I don't know about other posters, but I never worry about getting into the scrum or being "called out" because someone calling me out on the internet affects me roughly the same as someone calling me out on pop star knowledge: I don't much care. I also never worry about posting a mea culpa (see above) when I think I'm wrong on something.