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Discussion in 'Phoenix Suns' started by Dan H, Dec 15, 2020.

  1. Chaplin

    Chaplin Better off silent

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    Ok. We're not talking about just the Lakers and the Nets though. And nobody has said that we would be everybody regardless of who is playing on the opponent.
     
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    We barely beat them, and they are a notch below Philly and the Nets.

    Suns are not playing very well right now if we are being honest. Book, and Dario are playing way below their potential, and the whole bench has for the most part been subpar as of late.

    We are not getting out of the second round if our level of play does not improve.
     
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    Must be great to be someone who can't enjoy wins over good teams. Discounting the Suns wins because the other team was missing players is definitely a "glass half empty" outlook. But you do you.
     
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    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    It’s legitimate in terms of what may have happened - can’t argue with the fact those games would’ve been more difficult. But doesn’t change the fact that your record is what it is. You can only win against the players in front of you. I just wonder if we’ve benefitted from more absence than other top tier teams or if our experience is the norm this season.
     
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    Covert Rain Father smelt of elderberries!

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    We beat them. Barely only counts for the viewership at home. A win is a win and a loss is a loss when it comes to records.

    Also, the Suns are not playing very well but are still winning. That's says a ton about a team that is still eeking out wins despite some of their talent not playing well as of late. That is called teamwork. That says a bunch about how far the team has come. In the past if one guy didn't play well...the team had very little chance of winning.

    Getting to the playoffs would be an accomplishment. Making it to the second round would beat expectations. It would be above and beyond expectations coming into the season. Anything beyond that would simply be a fantastic run.
     
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    You are making a great case for the Suns being a much better team than they are because they are not functioning on all cylinders and still winning.
     
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    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    I figured 4 or 5 seed, but leaned 4.
     
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    That's a good point and I have no idea on it. I know this is unusual luck for us but for all I know many of the top teams have experienced the same thing this season. And even if it's unusual for us, who knows how the season would have played out if we'd faced nothing but fully healthy opponents. For all we know, losing 3 or 4 more games against those good teams might have kept us from mailing it in against the Spurs or the Pistons or the Pelicans and so on.
     
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    That's basically what I said above. Let's face it. The West is insanely talented. I am not sure you can say making it to the second round and getting beat is anything but an huge accomplishment compared to last year's team and considering what expectations were before the season. Having said that, if this team is one and done? That might be a different story.
     
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    i don’t know if we’ve benefitted more from absence of other teams players versus the rest of the league as much as we have just been (and I hate even typing this for fear of jinx) VERY healthy with our main stars. CP3, Book and Ayton have played almost the entire season, plus Bridges. Yes, the bench has had some guys miss games, but our best players haven’t at the same rate a lot of other teams have.
     
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    I don't remember thinking where we'd finish exactly, just that we'd be behind the Lakers and the Clippers. For me, the next 5 spots were up for grabs between Utah, Denver, Dallas, Portland and the Suns.
     
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    This team is taking me for a ride and I'm enjoying every minute of it.

    I'm not willing to concede anything at this point. The games are decided on the court and in this shortened season it has shown anything can happen.

    The Suns have beat the Jazz twice and they have the best record in the NBA.
     
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    Clearly the suns have benefited from good health and our opponents poor health. A win is a win though I'll take them and enjoy them anyway they come.

    The concern I had, it felt like the suns record around the trade deadline was giving a sense of confidence that may not have been warranted. Its probable that our record would be worse had the teams we faced been at full strength.

    Anyway, we are a really good team that is fun to watch, we'll see if any of this matters when the playoffs start.... and this is a hell of a lot better than discussing lottery picks.
     
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    this is where I am.
     
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    THIS!! THIS!!

    Every year injuries happen. Ced Ceballos going down, Joe breaks his face, Magic pulls up with a hammy, KD snaps an achilles. Part of winning a title for even being a good team is managing health risks on your roster, having a style of play that minimized injuries (see Chris Paul), and just a lot of plain old luck.

    It's about time the Suns got some. But it isn't all accidental. We have not filled out our roster with a bunch of injury-prone vets (like the Cardinals seem to always do). Chris Paul does not play a Steve Nash helter-skelter game. He plays a controlled game that is aging well. I gotta admit, I was way wrong about him. Our pace is also making it easier on our players (along with their youth). But also our depth is making it easier. One guy does not have to over-exert himself for every win. If Book has an off night, someone else can pick it up. That, in itself, helps with injuries, even if the minutes remain similar. The players on this team trust each other and that takes off some pressure, which also helps with injuries.

    Now if they would just rest CP3 for this game tonight. . .
     

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