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Advanced STATS ranked CARDS defence 10th.
Our D could never get off the field when it mattered, so I really don’t care where Advanced Stats has our defense ranked. On top of that, over the past 2 seasons, they routinely would allow teams to immediately march down the field after our offense scored. It would just drain any momentum our offense had created. We were absolutely horrid on 3rd & longs.
 

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Our D could never get off the field when it mattered, so I really don’t care where Advanced Stats has our defense ranked. On top of that, over the past 2 seasons, they routinely would allow teams to immediately march down the field after our offense scored. It would just drain any momentum our offense had created. We were absolutely horrid on 3rd & longs.

Our third-down defensive ranking was 10th in the League at 39% and a 7% improvement over 2019.
 

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Our third-down defensive ranking was 10th in the League at 39% and a 7% improvement over 2019.
That don't seem right. I guess not been able to get Wolford & the rest of backup qb's off the field has messed me up permanently lol
 

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Our third-down defensive ranking was 10th in the League at 39% and a 7% improvement over 2019.
Not in crunch time it wasn’t. It may have been better than 2019, but let’s not forget that the Niners ran for over 250 yards against this so called top 10 defense in a must win game.
 

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Why? Keim has shown zero savvy for prevarication in draft matters.
Bc he really can’t say anything other than that right after drafted the guy. Are you expecting him to say “we explored trade down opportunities but no one wanted to, so we were excited to draft Collins!” That’s essentially saying “trading down was our first desire and then we settled for Collins when we couldn’t.” I’m not saying that happened, I’m saying you can’t take keims words at face value that it didn’t.
 

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Our D could never get off the field when it mattered, so I really don’t care where Advanced Stats has our defense ranked. On top of that, over the past 2 seasons, they routinely would allow teams to immediately march down the field after our offense scored. It would just drain any momentum our offense had created. We were absolutely horrid on 3rd & longs.
How many time did we hold them on 2nd down only to give up a big play on 3rd down?
 

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Bc he really can’t say anything other than that right after drafted the guy. Are you expecting him to say “we explored trade down opportunities but no one wanted to, so we were excited to draft Collins!” That’s essentially saying “trading down was our first desire and then we settled for Collins when we couldn’t.” I’m not saying that happened, I’m saying you can’t take keims words at face value that it didn’t.

Yeah I read the comment from @Stout and thought the same thing.

It would be incredibly stupid and disrespectful to Zaven Collins to say that.

When I looked at players available and team needs at #16, there wasn't really a player that I felt had tremendous value and filled a big need. The Cardinals were in no man's land. If I felt that way, do you think an NFL team is looking to trade up? Hell no.

Keim's explanation for drafting Collins makes a ton of sense. Hicks was awful last year. Just like Gambo shared yesterday, in the last Niners game, both starting ILBs had like a 30 and high 20 something rating by PFF in those games. They both sucked royally and we're big reasons the Cardinals lost that game.

Collins and Simmons can be the Cardinal's version of Willis and Bowman, the Cardinal's version of Wagner and KJ Wright, the Cardinal's version of Kuechly and Davis. As much as the advanced analysis fan boys say LB isn't a premium position, many really good defenses are built around great LBs.
 

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We got a HOF Talent folks. Trust me. We need a home grown leader in the middle of this defense. He becomes our Bobby Wagner. He can thump inside and Cover like Dansby or Urlacher. You have 2 trees to cover TEs and Defense against the run (Which Simmons got much better at by season end) And a guy that can read/Spy routes underneath. Can Blitz inside and from the outside somewhat as well as simmons. Both guys don't have to come off the field. Collins could shed another 10lbs and be even more explosive at 250-255 and still be stout. He's not an elite tackler but or angel taker but he's got everything we will need in a leader and football player. This is a great pick.

Now as for Rondale... I'm torn on it. Love the raw talent, gamebreaker but idk if kliff will get the ball to him properly. everything can't be a bubble screen. Eventually you've gotta win contested catches and get vertical. I know Rondale can jump and is explosive but IDK about his ball skills esp on vertical routes.
 

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We got a HOF Talent folks. Trust me. We need a home grown leader in the middle of this defense. He becomes our Bobby Wagner. He can thump inside and Cover like Dansby or Urlacher. You have 2 trees to cover TEs and Defense against the run (Which Simmons got much better at by season end) And a guy that can read/Spy routes underneath. Can Blitz inside and from the outside somewhat as well as simmons. Both guys don't have to come off the field. Collins could shed another 10lbs and be even more explosive at 250-255 and still be stout. He's not an elite tackler but or angel taker but he's got everything we will need in a leader and football player. This is a great pick.

Now as for Rondale... I'm torn on it. Love the raw talent, gamebreaker but idk if kliff will get the ball to him properly. everything can't be a bubble screen. Eventually you've gotta win contested catches and get vertical. I know Rondale can jump and is explosive but IDK about his ball skills esp on vertical routes.
Agree with your 1st paragraph, not so much with your 2nd. Rondale fits KK's system like a glove. The Cardinals targeted Moore from day 1. They may have been fooled by Isabella, but they learned in the process. Barring injuries, if KK can't figure out how to use this kid, then yes, KK will be an OC somewhere next year at this time.
 

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Yeah I read the comment from @Stout and thought the same thing.

It would be incredibly stupid and disrespectful to Zaven Collins to say that.

When I looked at players available and team needs at #16, there wasn't really a player that I felt had tremendous value and filled a big need. The Cardinals were in no man's land. If I felt that way, do you think an NFL team is looking to trade up? Hell no.

Keim's explanation for drafting Collins makes a ton of sense. Hicks was awful last year. Just like Gambo shared yesterday, in the last Niners game, both starting ILBs had like a 30 and high 20 something rating by PFF in those games. They both sucked royally and we're big reasons the Cardinals lost that game.

Collins and Simmons can be the Cardinal's version of Willis and Bowman, the Cardinal's version of Wagner and KJ Wright, the Cardinal's version of Kuechly and Davis. As much as the advanced analysis fan boys say LB isn't a premium position, many really good defenses are built around great LBs.
I agree with all of this. Particularly no man’s land. I’ve been saying it for a couple months - there were 13 high end prospects and then the next 30-35 players were somewhat eye of the beholder imo. Once Mac was gone there were no more dance partners bc the only value in moving up was broadening choice, not optimizing talent, imo.
 

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Agree with your 1st paragraph, not so much with your 2nd. Rondale fits KK's system like a glove. The Cardinals targeted Moore from day 1. They may have been fooled by Isabella, but they learned in the process. Barring injuries, if KK can't figure out how to use this kid, then yes, KK will be an OC somewhere next year at this time.
Agree with this. KK’s affinity doe throwing behind the line of scrimmage is disaster for a Fitz and likely for an AJ. But it’s custom tailored for Moore.
 

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Agree with your 1st paragraph, not so much with your 2nd. Rondale fits KK's system like a glove. The Cardinals targeted Moore from day 1. They may have been fooled by Isabella, but they learned in the process. Barring injuries, if KK can't figure out how to use this kid, then yes, KK will be an OC somewhere next year at this time.

Im not super into Kliff's adjusting. He does have a player that fits that but he already had that in Andy and wouldn't use him. He would rather have Larry and D Hop run the Screen with Andy or Kirk blocking. It should have been the other way around Every Single Time.... Andy has upside still. That said I hope Moore is Steve Smith 2.0. He's definitely strong enough and explosive as-go-you-know-the-thing.
 
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