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I have explained this already. We took Byron Murphy to be our slot corner because we run a hybrid nickel defense as a base package. It's the same defense that Collins played in at Tulsa, the 3 - 3 - 5. We are rarely in a traditional 3 - 4 because the NFL runs 11 personnel 45% of the time now.

Which is why the MLB position, especially a 2nd one, is so devalued in modern defenses.

For this pick to be maximized in effectiveness we are either going to:

#1. Move Simmons around and let him play a hybrid safety role out of a traditional 3-4 alignment. This makes taking a slot corner silly (which it was anyway but it's what we did)

#2. Limit Markus Golden / Chandler Jones snaps in this formation despite Keim saying that Collins will only play MLB. This is where I believe Collins would be most effective. Is Keim overriding his defensive coordinator?

#3. Go to a 2 - 4 - 5 and forgo a DL

Having heard Keim this morning he clearly intends for Joseph to use Collins right away. It would be extremely detrimental to Keim's job security to have another 1st round LB not play immediately.

It will be one of these options above.
You said nickel. A nickel D has 4 down linemen, 2 backers and 5 dbs or 3 linemen, 3 backers and 5 dbs.

Jones-Watt-Phillips-Golden
Simmons-Collins
Alford-Thompson-Murphy-Baker-Butler

or

Watt-Phillips-Golden/Allen
Jones-Collins-Simmons
Alford-Thompson-Murphy-Baker-Butler
 

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I understand the desire to have Collins play making ability in the middle, but expect him to take over for Chandler Jones next season.
 

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But they were only key pieces bc they were special. If they aren’t special they are hicks and not big difference makers.

but you can say that about any position. Yeah if guys are special it’s very different than just being ordinary
 

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You said nickel. A nickel D has 4 down linemen, 2 backers and 5 dbs or 3 linemen, 3 backers and 5 dbs.

Jones-Watt-Phillips-Golden
Simmons-Collins
Alford-Thompson-Murphy-Baker-Butler

or

Watt-Phillips-Golden/Allen
Jones-Collins-Simmons
Alford-Thompson-Murphy-Baker-Butler

Is this just deliberate obtuseness? I clarified in my post.

We don't run a true nickel. We run a hybrid defense. Get off Madden
 

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3 linemen, 3 backers, 5 DBs against their 11 personnel.

This is our most common defense as of last year.
 

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3 down linemen. 3 backers. 5 DBs

This is their hybrid base defense.
 

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I have explained this already. We took Byron Murphy to be our slot corner because we run a hybrid nickel defense as a base package. It's the same defense that Collins played in at Tulsa, the 3 - 3 - 5. We are rarely in a traditional 3 - 4 because the NFL runs 11 personnel 45% of the time now.

Which is why the MLB position, especially a 2nd one, is so devalued in modern defenses.

For this pick to be maximized in effectiveness we are either going to:

#1. Move Simmons around and let him play a hybrid safety role out of a traditional 3-4 alignment. This makes taking a slot corner silly (which it was anyway but it's what we did)

#2. Limit Markus Golden / Chandler Jones snaps in this formation despite Keim saying that Collins will only play MLB. This is where I believe Collins would be most effective. Is Keim overriding his defensive coordinator?

#3. Go to a 2 - 4 - 5 and forgo a DL

Having heard Keim this morning he clearly intends for Joseph to use Collins right away. It would be extremely detrimental to Keim's job security to have another 1st round LB not play immediately.

It will be one of these options above.

Really?

If Michael Bidwill wasn't intimately involved in the draft process and, no doubt, how player X or Y will be integrated into the "0" or "D" this could be true, but he is... so it isn't. IMO.
 

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3 down linemen. 3 backers. 5 DBs

This is their hybrid base defense.


i see standard 3-4 here

Kennard and Campbell are standing up at the line as OLBs. Simmons and Hicks are stacked behind the line as ILBs. Missing is the free safety out of the picture.

yes?
 

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Well again Chandler would have played those snaps if he was available

I mean if your counter here is that a guy on IR didn't play then yay you win the smart award.

My actual point was that taking Collins removes a recently added starter from the mix and thus has minimal impact this year. It's taking Simmons after you sign Campbell and then being bewildered he doesn't play

Based on how bad the D was at the end of the year then I'm glad one of those starters won't be playing as much.
 
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