Holiday Update March 18

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For what it's worth - from today's Seattle Times:

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 12:00 a.m. Pacific

Notebook: Holliday might not fit in the Seahawks' plans after all
By José Miguel Romero
Seattle Times staff reporter

KIRKLAND — Hugh Douglas simply didn't want to play in Seattle. Vonnie Holliday still has that option, but he might get more money somewhere else.

The bottom line is that the Seahawks might not sign a defensive end through free agency, at least for the time being.

With Douglas signed by the Jacksonville Jaguars, the Seahawks' attentions were thought to have shifted to Holliday, who most recently played for the Green Bay Packers and has good relationships with Seahawks coaches Mike Holmgren and Ray Rhodes. Holliday's agent, Brian Levy, said yesterday that he hopes to start talking about a deal for his client with Mike Reinfeldt, the Seahawks' top contract negotiator, today.

Levy also said, however, that the Arizona Cardinals have been "aggressive" in pursuing Holliday and that he is well into the negotiation process with them. League sources said the Cardinals seem receptive to paying Holliday whatever he wants, or close to it, leaving the Seahawks possible runners-up for yet another big-name free agent.

The Seahawks are still interested in signing Holliday, but they question whether he is the right player. Rhodes wants a speed pass rusher to come off the right end, and the feeling in Kirkland is that Holliday plays more like left end Antonio Cochran, who isn't known for his sack numbers.

The Seahawks seek a right end because of concerns about Lamar King's health. King has missed 12 games the past two seasons mainly because of calf and knee injuries.

King had microfracture surgery on his left knee in early December. Defensive tackle John Randle had a similar surgery early last year and didn't play at full speed until the season's final weeks.
Douglas was the player the Seahawks wanted, and they even matched the Jaguars' offer of five years and $27 million. But he opted to play closer to his hometown of Atlanta.

The Seahawks also like second-year end Anton Palepoi.
"As the season progressed, you could see him improving," said Dwaine Board, the Seahawks' new defensive-line coach. "The biggest thing going from college to pros is just learning to play with technique. He has tools. He has all the ability and the things that you like."

The Seahawks could wait until June to see what free agents are still available and whom will be released from other teams. One possibility is Jacksonville's Tony Brackens, who is expendable now that Douglas is with the Jaguars. Brackens, 28, missed all of last season with a knee injury and would save the Jaguars close to $5 million on next year's salary cap if cut after June 1.

The Seahawks are now focusing on linebackers, with inside players Charlie Clemons and Earl Holmes visiting the Seattle area this week. Clemons, who played for the New Orleans Saints last season, has already met with the Packers and is in town today. Holmes, a former Cleveland Brown, was cut on Feb. 27 to get the Browns under the salary cap, even though he led the team in tackles in 2002. He will arrive tomorrow but might not meet with coaches until Thursday.

 

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kind of good news/bad news...

good news: sounds like cardinals are not out of it
bad news: ray rhodes and holgrem should know more about holliday (other than the packers) than anyone..and if they think he is asking for too much dough..makes you wonder..
 

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Let's hope he is right. Not necessarily because Holliday is the best option, but because of perception. Bigger names signed, hopefully will attract other big names and go toward scrapping the bad image we have around the league. I must admit I am suprised and the changes (so far anyway) the Cards have made this offseason. Maybe you have to "overpay" a few good names in order to change the perception.

A few more good, solid players and a little depth, maybe we finish above .500 this year. Let's hope.
 

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yeah that would be good, .500, nah 9-7 would be nice. That would be pushing-it, .500 would be good but a 9-7 record we could have a real chance at landing a Wild Card spot.
 

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we probably do have some factors going for us other than money...
1. holliday said in his press conference that he is familiar with the phoenix area and has trained here in the past in the offseason (not sure when or who with).

2. 2 of holliday's college teammates are on our roster - freddie jones and russell davis.. I have no idea if this kind of stuff matters..but it cannot hurt.
 

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That's good news Jeff. Thanks for posting it. The Vikings have the cash to take a serious run at Holliday if they choose to. I think he'd be a terrific signing for us. Let's remember Fred Wakefield was our rush end last year!

I also think Graves has something at stake here as well. He didn't land Colvin. I really don't think he wants his GM career to start off with failing to sign both of the top two DEs when we started off 36 mil under the cap.
 

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Originally posted by pinnacle
bad news: ray rhodes and holgrem should know more about holliday (other than the packers) than anyone..and if they think he is asking for too much dough..makes you wonder..

Yeah, it makes you wonder if he's asking too much compared to his production OR he's asking too much for Seattle to fit him under the cap?

They were listed at $18 M under the cap before the start of free agency, but they've resigned LB Anthony Simmons, franchised Walter Jones, resigned some other players and have a bunch of restricted FAs with high tenders. There can't be that much left...
 
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On the BRS Free Agent Status page, I posted that - in light of Holliday's newfound interest in now 4 teams - that (with the exception of money talking) "talk is cheap" and that we might be best advised not to invest too much time and energy monitoring every rumor about this guy.

Either we get him or we don't. But we can't wait around and let this dude jerk us around. The smartest thing we could do would be to employ the Blake for Kordell strategy only this time it would be Okeafor for Holliday.
 

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Originally posted by JeffGollin
On the BRS Free Agent Status page, I posted that - in light of Holliday's newfound interest in now 4 teams - that (with the exception of money talking) "talk is cheap" and that we might be best advised not to invest too much time and energy monitoring every rumor about this guy.

Either we get him or we don't. But we can't wait around and let this dude jerk us around. The smartest thing we could do would be to employ the Blake for Kordell strategy only this time it would be Okeafor for Holliday.

Not the same situation though. Okeafor has visited a bunch of teams and I have yet to hear of him even getting an offer from anybody. The only team that has expressed any interest in signing him is the 49ers. I mean we're desperate for DE's and the only word about Okeafor since he left here is that we won't give him an offer.

We need to go hard after Holliday. If we don't get him, then it's time to debate about KGB for number 6 or hoping for a miracle in round 2 or rolling the dice on Brackens who has a bad knee.
 

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