Five Cardinals with the Most at Stake in 2022

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Kyler Murray is going to get a massive contract extension sometime before Labor Day. Dennis Gardeck, Steve Keim, and Kliff Kingsbury are already taken care of for the medium term. Marquise Brown likely will have to wait until 2023 to see a new deal. These players are at a career crossroads and can set themselves up nicely for a big payday next year in free agency:

1) D.J. Humphries, LT - Humphries is still 28 years old and a clear starting-caliber player. If he comes into camp motivated and able he could earn a $20 million per year contract

2) Byron Murphy, CB - Last season Murphy was the flex point in Vance Joseph's defense, moving inside and out to take advantage of key matchups. The results was career bests in interceptions, completion percentage allowed, and QB rating against. With a similar season he could easily vault himself into $15 million+ APY territory. He's only 24.

3) Jalen Thompson, S - Quietly Thompson lead the team in total tackles last season, and may be the most important member of Vance's defense because of his ability to play the deep third and come up to stop the run. Thompson turns 24 this year and could easily ask $8 million in annual comp with another quality season under his belt.

4) Zach Allen, DE - Allen has become the consummate snaps-eater at the defensive end position for the Arizona Cardinals. He won't be a star or make a ton of splashy plays, but he can be a reliable piece of a good defense. That said, without Chandler Jones, Corey Peters, and Jordan Phillips around to cash in sack opportunities, Allen could be a huge beneficiary of a greater contribution from J.J. Watt — vaulting his earnings potential from $6-8 million per year to $12-14 million.

5) Maxx Williams, TE - The most on-field intrigue in this year's training camp will be the availability and rehab of Maxx Williams. It's hard to believe that Williams is only 28, and proven NFL tight ends can be valuable starters into the mid-30s. If Williams can put together 12 games in the same way he started out 2021, he could get $10 million guaranteed on his next deal.
 
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Hump is 30 years old?

Damn, I thought he was younger for some reason.
 

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I'd bet on Thompson/Maxx and get them while they're still cheap. Allen looks like mostly a guy, and paying Murphy terrifies me. Hump seems good enough, at the right price.
He actually turns 29 at the end of this season.
Crazy he's been in the league for that long, but BA was knee deep awhile back I guess.
 
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The bottom line here is that Keim probably won't want to keep all of these guys. If we decide we're not ready to extend Hollywood Brown next winter ($13.4 million cap number per OTC), I think we keep Hump, Murphy, and Allen. Thompson walks because we don't want to spend over $28 million on safeties.

Hump @ $18 million APY
Murphy @ $16 million APY
Allen @ $8 million APY

That's $32 million of a projected $37.9 million in 2023 cap space. Kyler's extension will reduce his scheduled $16.8 million cap hit down to maybe $8-10 million.

If Moore takes the next step and McBride shows promise you probably feel pretty good about the core of this team.
 
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I'd bet on Thompson/Maxx and get them while they're still cheap. Allen looks like mostly a guy, and paying Murphy terrifies me. Hump seems good enough, at the right price.

Crazy he's been in the league for that long, but BA was knee deep awhile back I guess.
He's entering his eighth NFL season, surprisingly.
 

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so if the Cards surprise on the upside this season -- lets call that >10 wins and a playoff run of some kind

its likely because players 1-4 above had really good seasons

in that regard, I would also submit Zaven Collins, Isiah Simmons and Rondale Moore as young players who could be sources of better than expected performance
 

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The bottom line here is that Keim probably won't want to keep all of these guys. If we decide we're not ready to extend Hollywood Brown next winter ($13.4 million cap number per OTC), I think we keep Hump, Murphy, and Allen. Thompson walks because we don't want to spend over $28 million on safeties.

Hump @ $18 million APY
Murphy @ $16 million APY
Allen @ $8 million APY

That's $32 million of a projected $37.9 million in 2023 cap space. Kyler's extension will reduce his scheduled $16.8 million cap hit down to maybe $8-10 million.

If Moore takes the next step and McBride shows promise you probably feel pretty good about the core of this team.
What pisses me off is that we are likely going to be at a decision point on Byron Murphy, Zach Allen, and Jalen Thompson in the offseason we are likely to hire a new DC and have a new scheme. Really poor timing.

Letting Jalen walk is going to bother me because I feel like he fits the modern NFL better than Budda.
 

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Kyler Murray is going to get a massive contract extension sometime before Labor Day. Dennis Gardeck, Steve Keim, and Kliff Kingsbury are already taken care of for the medium term. Marquise Brown likely will have to wait until 2023 to see a new deal. These players are at a career crossroads and can set themselves up nicely for a big payday next year in free agency:

1) D.J. Humphries, LT - Humphries is still 28 years old and a clear starting-caliber player. If he comes into camp motivated and able he could earn a $20 million per year contract

2) Byron Murphy, CB - Last season Murphy was the flex point in Vance Joseph's defense, moving inside and out to take advantage of key matchups. The results was career bests in interceptions, completion percentage allowed, and QB rating against. With a similar season he could easily vault himself into $15 million+ APY territory. He's only 24.

3) Jalen Thompson, S - Quietly Thompson lead the team in total tackles last season, and may be the most important member of Vance's defense because of his ability to play the deep third and come up to stop the run. Thompson turns 24 this year and could easily ask $8 million in annual comp with another quality season under his belt.

4) Zach Allen, DE - Allen has become the consummate snaps-eater at the defensive end position for the Arizona Cardinals. He won't be a star or make a ton of splashy plays, but he can be a reliable piece of a good defense. That said, without Chandler Jones, Corey Peters, and Jordan Phillips around to cash in sack opportunities, Allen could be a huge beneficiary of a greater contribution from J.J. Watt — vaulting his earnings potential from $6-8 million per year to $12-14 million.

5) Maxx Williams, TE - The most on-field intrigue in this year's training camp will be the availability and rehab of Maxx Williams. It's hard to believe that Williams is only 28, and proven NFL tight ends can be valuable starters into the mid-30s. If Williams can put together 12 games in the same way he started out 2021, he could get $10 million guaranteed on his next deal.
I think you are overselling Allen and Williams.
 

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What pisses me off is that we are likely going to be at a decision point on Byron Murphy, Zach Allen, and Jalen Thompson in the offseason we are likely to hire a new DC and have a new scheme. Really poor timing.

Letting Jalen walk is going to bother me because I feel like he fits the modern NFL better than Budda.
Not a popular opinion but imo we should have traded Baker this year.
VJ does not use him to his strengths and we have a guy ready to take his snaps.
Draft capital would have helped the team more than the difference between Baker and Thompson
 

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Take a look at the salaries for those positions. Michael Brockers makes $9 million a year.

Same with Tight Ends. Proven veteran TEs are hard to find and keep in the NFL.

Zach Allen isn't even a Tim Settle who's getting 4.5m. No chance he's getting 10m or near it. He's 10 a penny.

Tight Ends that have never passed 268 yards and won't next year without a full season and Ertz and McBride competing for targets isn't getting 10m a year.

Neither is Murphy getting close to 16m unless he massively improves this year.
 

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Thompson will probably get the Tony Jefferson treatment, unfortunately.

I don't see any way they pay Williams more than TE3 money.

Humphries will likely re-sign. The O-line situation next year is just too uncertain as a whole to let your LT walk without a replacement.

Allen is kind of a similar situation to Humphries. Watt's contract will be up, and we still don't really have a NT, so 2/3 of the d-line already needs rebuilding.

I think Keim ends up overpaying Murphy. I still don't think Murphy has the athleticism to be a top corner, but something tells me Keim will pay him like one. Keim has to re-sign at least one of his draft picks again at some point.
 
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