Federal documents detail sweeping potential NCAA violations involving high-profile players, schools

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    Dan Wetzel says Gatto got an extra charge due to the Kansas stuff. He's expected to get something like 7 years, Dawkins and Code more like 3 years. He also said the big question now is will Gatto and Code cooperate with authorities to try and get a shorter sentence and if so will that impact if the Feds allow the defendants in the next two trials to change their pleas in exchange for deals now. Essentially saying will it be a race with Gatto and Code trying to get a deal before Book, Bland and Evans can, or will the feds be willing to give all of them deals in exchange for more evidence. Given they already got the Adidas people what evidence would the feds want, evidence against Nike or Under Armour, or evidence against head coaches? My guess is against other shoe companies I really doubt the feds care about the coaches, they're just collateral damage.
     
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    So Gatto, Code and Dawkins are going to prison? I mean, they committed a crime but damn...
     
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    They get sentenced in March but yes right now it's assumed Gatto will get 7 years and the other 2 will get 3 years. They could now try and cooperate and get lighter sentences but who knows since the trial already happened.

    I'm not sure how I feel, I don't believe for a minute the schools don't know but I guess the argument is does the coach knowing count as the school knowing? Where does the Athletic Dept stop and the school starts. I can believe that coaches know and the AD's probably know but the president or chancellor doesn't but I guess it depends on the school. But that's the argument they convinced the jury of, that the schools were being defrauded into giving scholarships to players who were already ineligible because they'd been paid.

    AS Wetzel said the jury effectively turned amateurism into federal law. he was surprised he thought Dawkins might be found not guilty, seemed to expect Gatto and Code would be guilty.
     
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    After reading the transcripts on ESPN I kind of think there was no offer at all for Little. Augustine took some money from Adidas. When you read it, Code and Gatto discuss Arizona offering 150 for Little, but they have no evidence they were just told that by Dawkins and Augustine. then Dawkins and Gassnola are discussing it and Gassnola says how bad it looks for Augustine to have an Adidas contract but be sending his best player, Little, to arizona(nike). The way Dawkins responds with such short answers to me is someone who's lying to Gassnola and thinks the less he says the better. They get Code and Gatto discussing how they might not be able to match the Arizona offer but they might not have to, and they don't have to pay it all up front most will come in 2018, that's just not plausible to me. They think Arizona has offered 150K for the kid but they're going to win the bidding war with a lower bid just because some of it comes up front? I think that's because Augustine and Dawkins realized they'd asked for too much money, 150, and were telling Adidas if you pay up front Little will take less money, it was the only way they felt they could still scam Adidas for money. Adidas still believed they were bidding against Arizona but I don't think they actually were it was just Dawkins and Augustine trying to salvage some money out of the scam. They probably assumed Augustine would pocket the up front money, and when the kid did NOT go to Miami, that would be it. I think Augustine at that point had probably figured if he leveraged other players(Balsa) he could keep his Adidas contract by just telling Adidas the kid had taken the Arizona offer after already accepting money from Adidas. Adidas wasn't going to complain hey he took money from us but went to Nike.

    Until I realized Adidas had paid some money to Augustine, and saw the transcripts I wasn't sure clearing Miami equated to clearing Arizona in the Little story too but now I think it does. I think that there likely never was any offer from Nike they just thought they could convince Adidas there was. I also think clearly Augustine was running multiple scams, he was scamming Adidas, but he was also scamming Dawkins because he convinced him he could control Little when he clearly couldn't.
     
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    These tweets are by a guy you’re probably aware of who was responding to a PHX radio show that just butchered everything this morning regarding this case. They were basically speaking as if everything Dawkins and Code were discussing as fact and it was embarrassing.

    There’s a lot in response but it’s a really good breakdown of the situation. There’s about 15 follow ups...

     
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    I only see 1) is there more after that I can't find it on his twitter page.

    I think the bulk of it below #1 got deleted due to language?
     
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    Something is up with the link I provided. I’ll see if they sho up here.









     
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    Interesting but he makes the same mistake I see often on Arizona boards. People start off with the notion everyone cheats, and then systematically deny Arizona did anything wrong and that Book was a rogue coach. Arizona did an internal investigation that proved that, that's exactly what they wanted it to prove. USC did an investigation that said nothing else had happened and two days later Yahoo revealed Boatwright and Metu had both taken money. USC hired outside lawyers and experts to do the investigation and missed the fact that the 2 best players on the team had both taken money? The reality is they don't have subpoena power or really any legal power to hold over these kids so the kids are free to lie, USC found that out the hard way.

    One of the more obvious outcomes of the first trial was everyone at Adidas believed that Nike was buying players for Arizona. Either that was all fabricated by Dawkins, or Adidas had some reason to think that was true and Dawkins exploited that in the Little case.
     
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    Not sure what an internal investigation can uncover short of Miller admitting something. Miller was investigated by the feds and all that came up was talking with agents that I don’t believe is an NCAA violation (depending on the time of year maybe). The school can’t take action based on hearsay by non-realible testimony. None of the original FBI schools fired their coach. The false ESPN report is what changed everything in the public’s eyes.

    If that report never came out I’m not sure how he’d be viewed differently than Enfield. Pasternak and Book could very well be dirty but there’s no proof they violated rules.
     
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    I don't think Arizona should fire Miller unless they have reason to think he lied to them. As for the difference between Miller and Enfield, again, Enfield suspended Melton all season and screwed up what could have been a great season for USC to do it, Miller didn't suspend anybody even though he had been given reason to believe he had anywhere between 2 and 4 players who were ineligible depending on if Alkins and Ayton are the 2 players (6 and 7 I think) or if those were 2 other kids and Alkins was the kid who already got paid, and Ayton was the kid who Adidas paid. He didn't suspend any of those players he went in the mindset of win and vacate later.

    Arizona handled the FBI story differently than any other school involved. Everyone else who was involved suspended kids they had reason to believe had been named.

    Miller fired Book, that was really it.
     
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    Gatto got 9 months, Dawkins and Code 6 months. All 3 are appealing of course, and insisting if they are to be sentenced it can't be to regular prison, in this case federal prison.

    I certainly don't think they deserve to do hard time but the point was made that their entire argument comes down to lots of people do this, and the response is they all knew it was wrong. My guess is Gatto got the most because he was forging documents to cover the illicit payments, having to create fake invoices etc?
     
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    2 assistants going to jail.

    College basketball bribery trial: As another coach is sentenced to prison, it's time for the NCAA to act
    Former Oklahoma State and South Carolina assistant Lamont Evans was
    sentenced Friday to three months in prison

    https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...enced-to-prison-its-time-for-the-ncaa-to-act/

    ^^^^^

    Frank Martin , [email protected] South carolina and ESPN's favorite son, is dirty and always has been going back to his HS coaching days with Shakey Rodriguez @ Miami High, so no surprise his recruiter gets busted.
     
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    Rumor seems to be this is probably the week the first 2 schools will get notified by the NCAA with a notice of allegations. The CBS article last month said to expect 2 school in early July and people seem to think this is the week that's going to happen.
     

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