Do you honestly think Ja is ready to contribute even at an average starting level as a rookie? If so, what makes you think that? If not, why in the world would you be willing to endure a repeat of the disaster that has been the last two seasons?
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Do you honestly think Ja is ready to contribute even at an average starting level as a rookie? If so, what makes you think that? If not, why in the world would you be willing to endure a repeat of the disaster that has been the last two seasons?
Chaplin
Better off silent
I guess some people have no knowledge of what it takes to build a team.
Well, it certainly doesn't take endless youth and throwing a player in a critical position to the wolves years before he is ready.
This team needs veterans, especially at starting point guard, not yet another kid, and one who has very little experience against decent competition and whose game is very raw, leading the other kids on this team.
Iv'e given up hope for a quick turn around for this team. Time line is three years away. JA will be ready by then, don't care if they win 10 games next year. Even if I have to read your same crap for two more years.
BC867
Long time Phoenician!
Is that the goal you set for our roster, particularly at Point Guard? "Isn't a massive weakness"?
That's like the old joke about telling a date, "Gee, for someone so fat, you don't smell a lot."
Has Sarver sprinkled you with some of his pixie dust? C'mon Krang, please set the bar higher.
I like how it would be throwing Ja to the wolves if he is a made a starter but the same person who claims that whined all year that our coach didn't run the offense through an even younger kid in Ayton. Starting a rookie PG next year is the worst thing possible for this team but starting 3 rookies this year, including a rookie PG, should have resulted in a much better season than last season. Ok, sure.
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Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
Is that the goal you set for our roster, particularly at Point Guard? "Isn't a massive weakness"?
That's like the old joke about telling a date, "Gee, for someone so fat, you don't smell a lot."
Has Sarver sprinkled you with some of his pixie dust? C'mon Krang, please set the bar higher.
I think Morant can be a really good PG. IF you believe that, and with the money that is sunk on Johnson already, wouldn't it be better to lock in a good PF?
Tyler Johnson briefly showed that he can be an OK starting option on this team. IMO I don't think the Suns are going to be able to get much out of the free agent route. This team is going to have to turn it around with the draft and trades first. Mid-tier guys will sign with the Suns, but expecting a premier PG to sign is hogwash.
Then be prepared to lose Booker, Ayton, Oubre and Bridges in the process, because I guarantee you they DO care if they have to put up with more of the same...which puts us right back where we started, if not worse. This is how losing teams reinforce their losing culture.
Running the point requires much more headiness and maturity than center. Think QB versus lineman in football.
And Ayton is a generational talent. Morant came up out of nowhere against weak competition.
And I had a BIG problem starting 3 rookies and predicted a horrendous season as a result. My gripe is that the season ended up even worse than my pessimistic expectations, involved historic futility, and saw zero progress from any of the rookies or from the second year player.
If you look at all of my words, rather than just taking a few out of context, you will realize that you actually just proved my point.
For the last time, TYLER JOHNSON IS NOT A POINT GUARD!
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SirStefan32
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I tend to agree. Johnson was adequate after the first week or so. Don't get me wrong, if the Suns can get Holiday bu trading Johnson and Warren, I am all for it, but as far as free agents go, the top-tier guys are not signing with Phoenix right now, and the Suns don't have the space anyway. Alternative to Johnson is overpaying someone like Rubio or Collison. I honestly don't see that making a huge difference. Going after a power forward seems like a better idea.
It was this kind of thinking that led the Suns to pay $15 million for Trevor Ariza last offseason while not getting a single NBA level point guard for the roster. We cannot afford for history to repeat itself. Be it through free agency or through trade, this team HAS to get an NBA caliber veteran starting point guard.
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myrondizzo
Hall of Famer
The more I think about it, the more I think it's going to be Darren Collison.
And I would be just fine with that.
Yuma
Suns are my Kryptonite!
I can't do this poll. It all depends. Some guys would be better at value trades. A guy might be good as a free agent signing at a good price versus giving up a lot of assets in a trade. It depends how we get the guys, and at what price.
Whoever it is, just please no Booker and Johnson, Booker and Melton, Booker and Okobo, Booker and Bridges, Booker and Jackson or Booker and rookie starting backcourt.
BC867
Long time Phoenician!
I still fail to understand that philosophy. If you say that Lonzo is not someone you should want to target,
why would that change if he comes cheaply? Whether GM's, Head Coaches or players, that mentality has
kept us in the doldrums for a decade. I hope that Jones doesn't make that his approach.
Because the alternative is what, exactly?
That's been the problem more so than looking at cheap options. Hell, the cheap options have panned out more often than not with Jamal Crawford, Rashaun Holmes, Ray Spalding, and De'Anthony Melton all being cheap throw-ins of sorts who worked out well here.
It's the flashier and larger acquisitions that haven't worked out. If we can get Lonzo for cheap then he won't be a big time acquisition and if he pans out, great, but if doesn't? No big loss.
It's better to fill out the roster with players who can potentially cover a position of need than simply fill a roster spot. Not all signings or trades are big time deals. Some of them are bound to be on the cheap end, like how we acquired Holmes last offseason.
You're too caught up in the perception of it being "cheap" to view it any other way, some would say it'd be a bargain.
With a lower cost typically comes lower expectations. Not all players and acquisitions will involve stars or starters, that's simply not how any team is capable of filling out their roster. There are 15 rosters spots to fill, after all.
The problem is we have an overload of guys to fill spots 10-15 and 2 major holes in spots 1-5 (and at least 1, if not 2, more major holes in spots 6-10).
You get what you pay for...
BC867
Long time Phoenician!
And, if you bring in a Lonzo and take a chance, especially at Point Guard, you're
tying up a spot and not bringing in a better and more permanent solution.
If I wanted a Three Musketeers candy bar at the checkout, but they didn't have
it, I wouldn't buy another brand. That would be a waste of money and calories.
I'd shop elsewhere for a Three Musketeers.
Mmm, my mouth is watering for a Three Musketeers.
And a Point Guard.
tying up a spot and not bringing in a better and more permanent solution.
If I wanted a Three Musketeers candy bar at the checkout, but they didn't have
it, I wouldn't buy another brand. That would be a waste of money and calories.
I'd shop elsewhere for a Three Musketeers.
Mmm, my mouth is watering for a Three Musketeers.
And a Point Guard.
And, if you bring in a Lonzo and take a chance, especially at Point Guard, you're
tying up a spot and not bringing in a better and more permanent solution.
If I wanted a Three Musketeers candy bar at the checkout, but they didn't have
it, I wouldn't buy another brand. That would be a waste of money and calories.
I'd shop elsewhere for a Three Musketeers.
Mmm, my mouth is watering for a Three Musketeers.
And a Point Guard.
We'd all like to solve all the issues with the roster right now but that won't happen, no matter how much we'd like. It's not all or nothing though like you are presenting it as. Your analogy doesn't apply here because there isn't an unlimited supply of good PG's out there.
There are 30 teams competing in the NBA all the time. The Suns are one of those teams and have to compete with the other 29 to accomplish anything. We need to make small steps to improve because we're not able to fill all the holes going forward with long term solutions.
Would you rather have no PG or someone that has a 50/50 chance of panning out? There's really not an alternative. We're not in a position to have the pick of the litter. We have very few options to fill the hole at PG, we need to view the options available and choose the best one. Some of those options contain a backup plan like grabbing a 2nd player on the cheap in case the initial plan doesn't work out as planned. Why shouldn't we cover ourselves by doing that?
You can view it as cheap or whatever but if you don't want to take a chance on someone being the answer then don't complain about the hole that is still there because there aren't alternatives to fill it.
If you think we can fill the hole at PG and PF so easily this offseason then please, let us all in on how that can be accomplished.
BC867
Long time Phoenician!
You may be right, Hoop. But, as a Suns fan, I just cannot set my hopes low following a decade of failure.
Until I see differently, I can't fill paragraphs with justification for the team that is supposed to make us proud.
I hope Jones feels the same. In the words of Bullwinkle, "Hey, Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of a hat."
Until I see differently, I can't fill paragraphs with justification for the team that is supposed to make us proud.
I hope Jones feels the same. In the words of Bullwinkle, "Hey, Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of a hat."
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Yuma
Suns are my Kryptonite!
Just because we can't see it doesn't mean it's not there. There's many different solutions or combinations. We are constrained by salary cap, not enough tradable assets, and not an abundance of highly sought after draft picks. As I was trying to get across earlier, if we ended up with the top pick, our job of finding the right combinations was way easier. The real talent of a GM is when you end up with the sixth pick. How do you make something out of less than ideal circumstances? I am thinking a combination of the sixth pick and 32cnd, one or two, maybe three new free agents, and some moving of the deck chairs on the Titanic. Guys have to step up on every team or it doesn't work. We have three young guys to build around with Booker, Ayton, and Bridges. Maybe we get Oubre back. A vet PG and PF, maybe a rookie PG and PF, and the whole team is reconfigured. In the history of the NBA, there have been rookie PG and PF that have stepped up for their teams. I don't know what next year looks like, but it's going to be hard to stay at 19 wins.
Yuma
Suns are my Kryptonite!
Nothing up your sleeve?You may be right, Hoop. But, as a Suns fan, I just cannot set my hopes low following a decade of failure.
Until I see differently, I can't fill paragraphs with justification for the team that is supposed to make us proud.
I hope Jones feels the same. In the words of Bullwinkle, "Hey, Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of a hat."
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