ESPN Louis Reddick is huge fan of Caleb Farley

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    Simply not a factor in calculating the effect of a collision.

    Velocity is velocity.

    If two cars collide head-on at 60mph it doesn't matter whether they had snow tyres or radials.

    Consider the biomechanical forces involved — velocity is increased (players travel faster on skates than on foot) so deceleration would be increased — increasing G-force of impact.

    It's a bit like the argument between proponents of heavy baseball bats vs lighter back in the day. The heavy bat argument simply could not understand that it was bat speed at contact that made the ball travel further.
     
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    This simply intuitively cannot be accurate. If I hit a reinforced wall going 60 mph that doesn’t budge verses hitting a wall of the same material without reinforcement that crumbles upon impact the former will do much more damage than the latter.
     
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    Or if I hit a car that's on ice, there is more give.
     
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    Of course, but not my point.

    The two cars in my example are of equal mass and travelling at the same speed when they hit, as such, the tyres are not a factor in the G-force impact.

    Returning to football vs hockey hits.

    The concussive difference between a 200 lb. Wideout being hit squarely in the chest by a 200 Safety and a 200 lb. forward being hit squarely in the chest by a 200 defenceman is velocity, not skates or cleats. If the two football players are travelling faster than the two hockey players when they hit, then it's a harder hit and vice-versa; footwear does not matter.

    Unrelated to this simple fact of physics is the potential result. Football players have more protective headgear and land on grass or turf, not ice.
     
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    here’s the bigger issue... with back injuries, I’m not worried about guys getting hit primarily. It’s the exact short bursts of energy and the constant stopping and turning on a dime that always aggravates that area, which is what CBs are doing all game. Hips on a swivel is crucial for great CB play, but if you’re already dealing with permanent structural damage of a disc, that is inevitably going to factor down to your hips, especially depending on what level the microdiscectomy was performed.

    that’s my main concern with a CB. The getting hit is just the gravy on top.
     
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    Well, your brother "Moan" ;) did mention you have some painful experience with back issues and I trust your knowledge and concern.

    My anecdotal response involves a cousin who had two spinal fusions and is in the NHL Hall of Fame.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Gilbert
     
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    I remember Rod Gilbert well! Great, great player. Wasn’t he part of the French Connection?? Even though I grew up in NYS, I’ve been a Habs fan since the mid 60’s.
     
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    My bad. Buffalo had the French Connection. But, Gilbert was an awesome player!
     
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    My own experience and talking to doctors first hand about all these injuries definitely color my opinion about young guys with back injuries. But that’s only been compounded with watching so many players in high impact sports like Football and Basketball suffer back injuries and are either never the same or take at least a couple years to return to form, even after the most “invasive” of surgeries.
     
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    If he has some injury concerns, especially with his back, then I wouldn't care if ever made a tackle.
     
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    Yes, the initial force is the initial force. But the majority of injuries in the nfl are lower body injuries. If the clears plant and the skates don’t it creates more torque on the football players’ lower body.

    what’s also not being taken into consideration is the type of injury and the types of hits in each sport. Hockey collisions are typically side-to-side or shoulder-to-shoulder and sometimes shoulder to lower body. Tackling in football is direct spinal compression to varying degrees. In other words, tackling directly impacts the job discs are meant to do to protect the spine.
     
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    He was on the GAG line (Goal a game) with Jean Ratelle and Vic Hatfield.
     
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    Good points.
     
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    outside of the QB slots --

    Farley and Jaelen Phillips are the two biggest risk/reward players in the draft:

    IF healthy -- each probably gives you top 5 in the NFL potential at their position

    but that health part.......

    Keim has historically leaned into those risks
     
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    I agree, the back is fickle and personally if drafting I would rather wish the guy was recovering from a freaking ACL than back problems at such a early age... he has not played the position long and has injury potential which you really cannot fix putting more red flags on him for me than a Chinese military parade lol
     

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