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- Aug 19, 2005
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I‘m semi retired, sole caregiver for my 25 year old special needs son. I listen to NFL Radio quite a bit & heard that exact story on 2 different occasions. Once last week & once this week. There’s absolutely no reason to not give credence to it. And I certainly don’t have time to write down on paper who exactly said it. I can’t be the only one who listens to PHNX podcasts or NFL radio. Funny how both of my other sons heard the excerpts. But, instead, we should listen to someone like you that lives to hate Kyler Murray?Indicated where?
You can't use something like that for the foundation of your whole argument without referencing it. "I heard it from some random guy on Twitter" doesn't count.
Like thisYeah Mao's talking crap. A google search shows Kyler donated $25k. I'm talking about actually doing something himself, not his agent donating money in his name.
Of which actually there are only one $25k to GENYOUth. There was $20k handover he showed up to while he was begging for a fat contract. The one and only time he's every appeared in public in Arizona in a none football capacity. To hand out one of those big cardboard checks because his PR guy said you need to something if you want to get paid. But it wasn't even his money.
Yeah, there hasn't been anything on the board about it, which there would be if it was anything more than rumor. So you're trying to pull a he said/she said in defense of Kyler. Whatever. I will wait and see how he takes to a new coach and see if he's turned himself around. Until then, your defense of him is mere words. He stunk last season, so until he doesn't stink, the speculation will continue.I‘m semi retired, sole caregiver for my 25 year old special needs son. I listen to NFL Radio quite a bit & heard that exact story on 2 different occasions. Once last week & once this week. There’s absolutely no reason to not give credence to it. And I certainly don’t have time to write down on paper who exactly said it. I can’t be the only one who listens to PHNX podcasts or NFL radio. Funny how both of my other sons heard the excerpts. But, instead, we should listen to someone like you that lives to hate Kyler Murray?
As a Murray hater, you saying he stunk has ZERO cred. Considering the crap all around him, he was closer to exceptional than he was to “he stunk”. In reality he was probably somewhere in between.Yeah, there hasn't been anything on the board about it, which there would be if it was anything more than rumor. So you're trying to pull a he said/she said in defense of Kyler. Whatever. I will wait and see how he takes to a new coach and see if he's turned himself around. Until then, your defense of him is mere words. He stunk last season, so until he doesn't stink, the speculation will continue.
Cue the overreaction to saying he stunk last season.
He was closer to exceptional?!As a Murray hater, you saying he stunk has ZERO cred. Considering the crap all around him, he was closer to exceptional than he was to “he stunk”. In reality he was probably somewhere in between.
Closer than exceptional than to stinking, eh? How many passes over 30 yards did he complete this season?As a Murray hater, you saying he stunk has ZERO cred. Considering the crap all around him, he was closer to exceptional than he was to “he stunk”. In reality he was probably somewhere in between.
The Cardinals' defense in 2020 was ranked 12th (points) / 13th (yards).with a better than average defense, the 2020 (not even the 2021) version of Kyler Murray gets them into the playoffs and are competitive when they are there
Right? I'm seemingly having to argue for Kyler but closer to exceptional than stinking is blind. You could have made that argument last year, but definitely not this one.He was closer to exceptional?!
That is as unhinged as your bombastic support for Keim was until a couple months ago after his GLARING flaws had been obvious for half a decade.
Also makes me think you’re just making up whatever “you heard” about Kyler wanting a tough coach so you can back up your ridiculousness.
As if that story wouldn’t have been talked about to DEATH on this board if it actually existed anywhere but your own brain.
Closer to exceptional… that is high comedy.
The league as a whole thinks more highly of Kyler than this board does but yes there’s still some question marks there. Of course the overall roster is below average thanks to Keim.
We also forget that 7 of the 16 teams make the playoffs. It’s not that big of a lift even in ‘23 if we get 12 games of healthy Kyler with his wires uncrossed. SB contenders of course not but if the above comes together no reason we couldn’t have a season like this year’s Seahawks or Giants or Jacksonville
Kyler question as the thread is leaning that way...
When was the last time Kyler appeared on any TV show or podcast? I see other QB's all the time. Burrow, Mahomes, Allen, Hurts, Rodgers, Brady, Dak, Cousins, Lamar etc I see them regularly on Rich Eisen, Pat McAfee, various podcasts and so on.
Kyler is in year 4 and I don't recall seeing him on anything since the 2019 draft disasters.
That's not good. It speaks of a guy that thinks that either he is above all that or is so reclusive he avoids speaking. Does anyone recall any starting NFL QB. Especially a #1 pick, being so elusive of the media?
As a fan I don't know him at all. There are 3 things I know about him. He plays football, he likes playing video games and he lives in Texas as much as he can. After 4 years that seems pretty poor.
I believe people are truly underestimating how badly this team has been resourced over the years.
Unless Monti & the FO really hits it off in the draft & FA, which is possible, I think we won’t be truly competitive until 2026. I do think we could make a late run in 2025, but just not enough due to lack of talent.
What’s funny is Keim’s last draft might end up being one of his best. Probably because he wasn’t around to screw things up. McBride looks like he will be a stud. Sanders and Thomas showed some promise. Hayes and Smith could turn into long term starters. Christian Matthew could stick and Luketa was worth a flier in the 7th rd. Only flat out bust I can see is Ingram. Not impressed with him at all. But he was a 6th rounder so no big deal.
As with any fan forum, what people on this board think is based too much on emotion and not enough on facts. What the league thinks of a player is far more accurate than what a fan forum thinks. Kyler has already indicated to Bidwill that he wants a TOUGH HC. One that will demand attention to detail. Those that think Murray’s head isn’t right are clueless in that respect. With the right coaching, Murray will be as dangerous as any QB in the NFL. Even as a big fan of Murray, my biggest concern has nothing to do with his skills or his mind. It 100% is about him staying healthy. Kyler has had one major injury, so I’m not about to even remotely say he‘s injury prone, but he still has to come back strong & prove he can play a full season.
Utter nonsense. Teams have had one year turn around a after being in the Cardinals position.
The Jags pre-Trevor Lawrence were an absolute dumpster fire. No WRs, poor OL, no QB, no RBs, no TEs. Defense had a few pieces, but lots of holes as well.
If the Cardinals can resign Murphy and Allen and have a stellar draft, they should be on the right path. The biggest fix is getting Murray to play to his capabilities. That was the single biggest issue this year.
Plus our record in one score games was a real outlier. It's fixable if not this year than the next.
This is the equivalent of an obese person saying they ate some lettuce 3 years ago so it's not all bad.
Yeah we already covered 2 of these. One of them wasn't his money (the 20k one) he was just handing the check over.
And it's absolutely nothing to do with the point I raised. Donating pocket change for a millionaire is nothing. The point all along has been about his time and effort and doing things outside of football. Media, charity work, PR, community work etc
If you could predict the level of injury and how much Murray regressed...and like @Chris_Sanders stated, low performance in high leverage situations.I dunno. Outside of a handful of especially noisy people, I feel like the board has a pretty accurate view on Kyler. People in the League are busy, and don't watch every Kyler snap unless they're playing him. I think that the League sees the highlights, which are amazing, and thinks that if he could do that more often, or HAVE TO do that less often, he could be great.
That lines up with what I think most of the board (or at least I) think. But there's a lot of smoke going around about Kyler being a difficult personality. That's probably also real. If Kyler finally gets a 5k passing season, it doesn't matter. Until he wins himself into the playoffs, he's going to be in the Kirk Cousins/Jay Cutler tier.
This doesn't matter even a little.
What does "truly competitive" mean? As others have posted, nearly half the teams in each conference make the playoffs. Can we stay "in the hunt" until January (like the Ravens or Lions) next season? I don't see why not.
That said, I think it would take a couple of years to be in a position to compete for a division championship.
They could, but so could any draft prospect that plays little over the course of their rookie season. Hayes didn't play at all and didn't show enough in camp to convince anyone to keep him available once he recovered from his injury.
Lecitus Smith started two games and was benched for the last five games. Not promising!
Need a citation on this.
What teams? Usually teams as bad and skeletal as the Cards take a couple of seasons with Top 10 draft picks to recover. It's basically what happened after Kyler/Simmons, and then Keim screwed it up.
Yeah... that's a lot of hopium you're serving up. Especially considering you came into this season claiming that all was well and people were being unnecessarily pessimistic about the roster.
We ended up 1-6 in games decided by a TD or less. Oof.
Learn to read. That’s not what I said & you‘re better than that.He was closer to exceptional?!
That comment is as unhinged as your bombastic support for Keim was until a couple months ago after his GLARING flaws had been obvious for half a decade.
Also makes me think you’re just making up whatever “you heard” about Kyler wanting a tough coach so you can back up your ridiculousness. As if ANY new story about Kyler Murray that was “discussed two different times on NFL radio” wouldn’t have found its way to the board and then been talked about to DEATH. Just hardens the opinion you live in a fantasy land.
Closer to exceptional… that is high comedy.
You must have had poor grades in reading comprehension. It’s silly as hell to argue with some of you. Too many of you will be eating huge helpings of crow……..again.learn to become more self-aware of the ridiculousness you post. I wasn't the only one who commented on the assinine statement you made.
Cardinals luck is that the people eating crow one year, are feeding the crow the next.You must have had poor grades in reading comprehension. It’s silly as hell to argue with some of you. Too many of you will be eating huge helpings of crow……..again.
I mean . . . one second google.Yup. Every single one on the regular.
It has everything to do with football. How you are as a person is how you are as a player. No media, no charity work, no PR is just odd and indicates a reclusive, selfish character.
Go to work, go home, play video games.
Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Lamar, Cousins, Dak, heck probably every QB in the league has a charitable foundation. Not Kyler. Even Andy Dalton has one.
You don't think that being the only starting QB (certainly the only high profile one) in the league with no media, no charity work, no PR work and that does nothing in the local community is indicative of some serious character issues?
I know some here are going to defend him but that's just weird. Really weird.
Kyler Murray spent his day on March 24 attending two separate charity events and making contributions to give back to the local community. Murray hosted a brief trivia event where winners received an autographed football. For them, the generous donation will go toward supporting the foundation’s mission of celebrating excellence and cultivating equity in pre-K to 12th grade education.
Shortly after the first event, the Boys & Girls Clubs of the Valley hosted the second event, where Murray held a personal training session to demonstrate proper football techniques and skills.
“The second highest-paid quarterback in the NFL is known to be an active participant in charitable works. He has made numerous donations in the past and continues to support causes more frequently than ever. In August 2020, Murray donated $80,000 to a charity of choice after winning the sum from the Twitch Rivals Streamer Bowl.“. He played for the charity.