Draft Grade

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  1. Ouchie-Z-Clown

    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    Agreed, but again if that’s your “plan” it’s no plan at all bc you have no idea who comes available at what position. Trades are solely about being opportunistic. They’re a last resort when a gm fails on option #1 - drafting well and option #2 - signing good free agents to reasonable deals.
     
  2. cheesebeef

    cheesebeef Registered User Contributor

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    past pathetic drafting performance leans towards repeat jackassery more likely than not.
     
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    dreamcastrocks Chopped Liver Moderator Contributor

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    To be fair, you don't have to guess most times if Keim would be a jackass when it comes to drafting.
     
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    It's a plan that could work if Keim continues to make good trades? Not saying get 4-5 players each season that way but 2-3 would work out if you're only dealing away your 4-5 round picks? 3rd in some cases if you're getting a stud vet for that 3rd? It's not ideal I get it but with Keim making good trades & not drafting well it's a way to build a roster at the very least. Let's see how this season goes cause this is exactly how he built it? Yes, building a roster this way may not work out every time but drafting players isn't an exact science anyway, especially with Keims track record in the draft lol.
     
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    oaken1 Stone Cold

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    I gave a B- in another thread and I stand by that.

    drafts are always tricky but the Covid draft was trickier than most..... a B- is a very good grade

    for me it’s all about Collins... Moore.... and Menet

    the first two to be seeing fifty percent of the snaps by the end of the season and Menet to be ready to take over for Hudson by the 2023 season

    I’m excited for what the middle of our defense can be in a season or two

    concerned that with olinemen blocking Kyler and six foot defensive backs blocking Moore..... all their connections may have to happen behind the line of scrimmage
     
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    How about you start giving 'F' grades every draft so you won't be depressed during the regular season.


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  7. Ronin

    Ronin The show stopper

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    I will take the easy way out and not give them a grade yet.
    They get a inc from me
     
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    Four ways to grade a draft:

    1. Value of each player as projected & based on how they looked on paper.

    2. Value of each player based on how he does in ensuing action.

    3. How each pick compares to other possible picks value-wise in terms of how they looked on paper.

    4. Comparisons based on actual ensuing performances
     
  9. slanidrac16

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    The problem with trades is cap implications.
    3rd round pick for Hudson eventually adds 10m to your cap.
    2nd round pick for Hopkins adds 17m to your cap.
    Successful drafts get you the discounted price for 4-5 years allowing you to sign additional needs.
    Not putting down the trades but draft well and your team greatly benefits in free agency.
     
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  10. PACardsFan

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    Unfortunately, Keim history is significantly better than Cardinal history. Most on this board cannot wait until Keim is gone. Be careful what you wish for. Even though it’s inevitable, especially if we’re not in the playoffs this season, Cardinal history would indicate we’ll end up with a worse GM not a better one. Oh well, that’s the risk you take.
     
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  11. Ouchie-Z-Clown

    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    @DVontel: only one poster had a low bar for success for the cardinals? This is another. If your benchmark is the cardinals you’ll never expect more from the team.

    I think it’s ironic that it’s the darksiders that typically possess higher expectations.
     
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    I usually temper my expectations. It's easier to take how the season ends for us most years. Sitting at home watching our most hated rivals in the playoffs. I'm an optimistic person overall, but with the cards that's not the case. Been burned too many times.
     
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    In the 8 years before Keim took over, the Cardinals went to the playoffs twice, won four playoff games, two division titles, an NFC Championship and were within 34 seconds of winning the Super Bowl.

    In the 8 years since Keim took over, the Cardinals have gone to the playoffs 2 times, won 1 game, and won 1 Division title.

    So, even with a GM like Graves, who we all thought was terrible, the Cardinals had more post season success, won more division titles and a conference championship, while drafting some of the major impact players who helped buttress Keim’s success in his first three seasons, having drafted Larry, PP, Calais.
     
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  14. LoyaltyisaCurse

    LoyaltyisaCurse IF AND WHEN HEALTHY...

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    Truth.
     
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    LoyaltyisaCurse IF AND WHEN HEALTHY...

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    Keim is 65-61, which —on paper— is much better than Graves’ 65-95 record (.406 win percentage).

    He was 34-14 in his first three seasons. As he’s shed players from Graves and stocked the team with “his guys” he has gone 31-47 (.397 win percentage).
     
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