Donald Trump is going all in on banning abortion

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  1. Ouchie-Z-Clown

    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    We’ve passed the inflection point where all governmental entities are politically based a long time ago.
     
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    Probably already in this thread but remember, Trump is on the record REPEATEDLY before he was POTUS as being strongly pro choice. This is just one of those Quid Pro Quo deals where people helped get him elected and in exchange he's trying to get abortion overturned for them.
     
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    CJ Roberts has been telegraphing his position that he won't overturn prior decisions unless the rule is unworkable all term long.

    He's been very clear about it. He's laid it out consistently, time and time again. If you don't satisfy the four prong test, he's going to uphold stare decisis.
     
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    There are still religious groups that are against contraception as it prevents life. Some classify most contraceptives as abortifacients, even though they medically are not.

    There is also the line of thought that contraceptives and sex ed encourage sex without the goal of reproduction, which increases sexual activity, increased pregnancies when contraceptives fail and ultimately abortion demand

    Also, the 20 weeks is arbitrary and hurtful.

    It's chosen because it gives way to arguments and restrictions - try to set new precedent or challenge existing.

    It's framed in a way that draws in people who don't know and haven't experienced these things.

    It grabs emotion.

    The reality is that 20+ week abortions are incidental to the total number and the overwhelming majority related to pregnancies that have complications are development issues not compatible with life

    One of my in-laws and his wife are genetically aligned that there is a 25% chance in any pregnancy that she internal organs will not develop

    Of course you don't know your genetic peculiarities such as this until a problem presents and it's being diagnosed

    It's also not known until 19-22 weeks when that development would be visible...... Or not

    These are overwhelmingly people who really want to have kids, were excited about their pregnancies and then had their world crash on them ...... Not exactly "abort or get off the pot" - it is a decision being made for them because reproduction is messy and complicated
     
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    MigratingOsprey Thank You Paul!

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    With Kel not posting I haven't been looking so much for zombie threads
     
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    :lol: So true!
     
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    I owe you an apology. A year ago, I told you that you were naive and had your head in the sand about Roberts being the man who would likely keep this country from completely going to hell. You were right. The man seems to understand the moment and how crucial his votes are to keep society from going complete and utter bonkers.
     
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    No worries; and certainly no apology necessary, especially given some of the opinions coming from the Thomas/Alito (can we call them "Thomlito" now?) group.

    Politicization of the Courts would greatly diminish their power and give that power to the Executive branch. Roberts understands this.

    But then we also had that CFPB decision today. The only thing I liked about that opinon was this passage:

    Because the Government agrees with petitioner on the
    merits of the constitutional question, we appointed Paul
    Clement to defend the judgment below as amicus curiae.
    He has ably discharged his responsibilities. ​

    In other words - even though you lost Paul, we'll give you a shout out for taking this case for free.
     
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    I remain with my assertion from last year. The country is in big trouble if Roberts is the swing vote. And, he won’t be the swing vote if Trump wins. It’ll be a 7-2 court full of ideologues so far right he’ll be considered a “liberal” justice.
     
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    The human reproductive system is so prone to dysfunction it is a great as an argument AGAINST intelligent design. Even to get pregnant for humans difficult. About 1/4 of fertilizations miscarry. We are so bad at getting pregnant that we are one of a very few mammal species who need to have sex constantly to ensure survival of the species. Although, I personally don't see that as a bad thing. ;)
     
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    Can you tell me the difference between this case and Whole Women’s Health? Specifically why Roberts seems to be on the opposite side of his earlier ruling?
     
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    100% pro abortion after watching this. :lol:

     

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