Donald J. Trump: 45th POTUS

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  1. Rivercard

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    I'm sure he's had time to get the RW spin in order.
     
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    When you name your kid Hogan Gidley, you pretty much condemn him to being a GOP PR Dbag.

     
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    apparently it's extremely against the law because there are clear rules against using DHS and ICE for political reasons. If he wants to do this by law he'd have to pay for the whole thing.
     
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    Folster The system doesn't work.

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    Burried in this political issue that is being exploited by both sides, there is a valid discussion.

    It's not fair for border states and communities to have to bear the brunt of the economic and societal impact illegal immigration both good and bad.

    If illegal immigrants are going to be released into communities and not deported, it makes sense to spread them out throughout the United States, not punitively though.
     
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    You think this isn’t already been in action? Tyson Chicken has been bussing up illegals for decades. Devin Nunes has been using illegals on his Iowa farm, Donald Trump has been using illegals in his NJ and FL resorts/hotels.

    It’s a myopic AZ perspective to think this is strictly a border state issue.
     
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    If the GOP wants to juxtapose Omar and the Towers the DNC should make an ad juxtaposing Hitler saying the exact same crap Trump says on a daily basis.

    Dems are to nice. They need to take off the gloves.


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    Folster The system doesn't work.

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    To whatever extent the private sector is engaging in the labor black market, it's not proportionate nor does it balance out the economic and societal impact that border communities face.
     
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    Do you have data to support this claim?

    If not, do you even have anecdotal evidence of being in other parts of the US to back it up?
     
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    You said it yourself though it goes both ways. If Trump actually closed the borders and got all the undocumented workers out of California, the 5th largest economy in the US would take a HUGE hit, not save money. Farms in california would be in deep trouble without migrant farm labor. Silicon Valley, who do you think is cleaning buildings all over Silicon Valley, they're not all undocumented of course but many are. About 10 years ago demanding proof of citizenship from your janitorial company was a thing here, it stopped largely because people figured out how hard it was to keep your building clean if you couldn't use undocumented labor. Another huge impact would be moving companies. Years ago I was at a company where my manager insisted we could have no movers on our company move who had criminal records. Midway through the move we found out one of the movers had just gotten out of jail, my boss got mad at the move boss. We went into a separate room and he explained to us "with the recent crackdown on undocumented workers, there isn't a moving company in this valley that doesn't have lots of guys with criminal records on staff right now. The job is too physical, too injury prone, and doesn't pay enough so we can't be that picky about who we hire.

    My boss was more concerned about people stealing during the move he never had any concern about undocumented people but we hadn't realized the connection.

    If Trump actually did what he says he wants to do, it would have a huge impact on California, and I think that's a large part of why Trump wants to do it, he hates California because we didn't vote for him.

    I"m all for vetting people, we shouldn't be letting in mass numbers of people with criminal records but contrary to what Trump says the vast majority of people are not criminals they're families looking for work.
     
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    No it does not, because they can go where they want anyway...
     
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    Good refresher.

     
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