Deciding who the best player ever is

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  1. CardsSunsDbacks

    CardsSunsDbacks Not So Skeptical

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    LeBron holding a talk show special to talk about how he is the GOAT doesn't help with that either. Over the top arrogant.
     
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    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    Whaaaaa? Did I miss that?
     
  3. CardsSunsDbacks

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    Haven't seen the full thing, but I'm pretty sure that is what this clip is from.



    Edit: Tracked down what this is from. It was an 8 episode mini series about LeBron on ESPN+ where he is talking about essentially the different chapters of his life/basketball career.
     
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    I still would take Pippen and the supporting cast of the Bulls.. especially Pippen due to the consistency.. If Anthony Davis was always healthy I would probably choose him as a sidekick. I never thought Love was that great and Irving was young, immature, and unpredictable.

    I think Bosh and Wade we on their way down when he was with them.

    I guess we'll never know for sure who would be better but I also think Lebron is really good at getting everybody involved with his excellent passing. Also, if he grew up in the Age of Jordan he would have adapted to the toughness and would be able to barrel through guys more. I think he is a victim of his generation and how flopping now works so much better. I like Jordan's personality better than Lebron and I would root for Jordan.. but I think this generation has somewhat enabled Jame's attitude.
     
  5. CardsSunsDbacks

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    Ummm, Wade was 29 and 1st team all NBA and Bosh was 26 and an all star the year prior to teaming up with LeBron. They were not on their way down until towards the end of LeBron's tenure with Miami. Love averaged 26/12 the season before joining LeBron. Also LeBron doesn't come close to sniffing a title last year without AD who was their best player last season to include the playoffs.
     
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    They also had Ray Allen, former sniper/all-star as well.
     
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    As well as Mike Miller, Udonis Haslem and Birdman. All really good 6-8 guys on a roster.
     
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    That team was toast and lucky to get by the Jazz in 6 due to MJ’s heroics. Plus Pippen was never going to play for them again.
     
  9. Ouchie-Z-Clown

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    Agreed. Those weren’t realistic takes on lebrons posses. Not to mention wade had already won a championship without Lebron. Something pippen never did without mj.
     
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    Its not just that MJ's record in the Finals is perfect, its that he never even allowed their opponents to force a game 7. Like the outcome was never in doubt during those finals. That's crazy, IMO. Not once could the 2nd best team in the league get 3 wins in a 7 game series against him.

    Sure, winning your conference a lot is neat but no one ever talks about Jim Kelly as being the GOAT for losing 4 Super bowls in a row. He's not even in the conversation. You have to win a good percentage of the times you've been there, having a 30-40% winning percentage in the championship round isn't enough to be amongst the greatest of all time.
     
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    MJ had 6 trips, 5 of them the Bulls won 4-2 and once 4-1

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    LeBron has been to he finals 10 times.

    He's been swept twice 0-4, lost 4-1 twice, lost 4-2 twice.
    Won 4-3 twice, 4-2 once, and 4-1 once.

    That's 20-33 in the finals overall.

    Just single game winning percentage in the finals, its no contest comparing the two. LeBron has been 10 times but he still doesn't equal the total number of wins that MJ accumulate in 6 trips.
     
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    Jordan. Thread over.
     
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    Yep. Lebron's finals trips are a byproduct of the new player controlled NBA full of super teams. Part of why the suns are so exciting right now is we are no super team. Chris Paul made a huge difference but the superstar core of this team was drafted by this team.
     
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    Ok, I don't know how old you are, but I'm guessing you did not watch many Jordan games back in the day.

    I did, and I have watched a bunch of Lebron games.

    It's not even close - Jordan was far better.
     

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