Deandre Ayton discussion

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yeah, was listening to the NBA Show Pod on the Ringer and Chris Ryan put it perfectly saying: "I think that was the first time I've ever seen one of the Wired Up segments where I was like... about to start crying, slash, start doing push ups." An incredible vulnerable moment with Ayton and a coach making him believe in himself again.

gives me chills just thinking about it.

You guys know that Wilbon has been working with CP3 on a secret project all year right? When we win this thing, I bet whatever they put together is going to be a FASCINATING look behind the scenes at our first champsionship ever.

Its not a secret project. Its a memoir of Paul's grand dad that is for written by Paul and Wilbon. Here's some info...

Paul released the following statement regarding the book:

"'Sixty-One' is a celebration of my Papa Chilly who helped shape who I am today and what I value.

"His legacy of hard work and service to others is woven through the fabric of my parenting, my community work and how I have approached my basketball career. That high school game where I scored 61 points was a healing moment through basketball and I am thrilled to work with Michael Wilbon to share this story with the world."


BleacherReport.com/articles/2932254-suns-chris-paul-publishing-memoir-in-september-co-written-by-michael-wilbon
 

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Its not a secret project. Its a memoir of Paul's grand dad that is for written by Paul and Wilbon. Here's some info...

Paul released the following statement regarding the book:

"'Sixty-One' is a celebration of my Papa Chilly who helped shape who I am today and what I value.

"His legacy of hard work and service to others is woven through the fabric of my parenting, my community work and how I have approached my basketball career. That high school game where I scored 61 points was a healing moment through basketball and I am thrilled to work with Michael Wilbon to share this story with the world."


BleacherReport.com/articles/2932254-suns-chris-paul-publishing-memoir-in-september-co-written-by-michael-wilbon

oh.

lame.
 

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Lol I love Ayton. Please guys stop making me do this.

One, Ayton himself thought he sucked in game 2.

Two, Jae Crowder shot 0-5 from 3, 0-8 from the field, with 1 point in game one, and had the highest +/- on the team with +19. Can we please stop representing +/- as an accurate measurement of single game individual play quality? It is a team related stat that is insightful in larger sample sizes, but can have way too much distortion from game to game. I'm not even sure everyone knows what it's actually quantifying.

It is OK to admit when Ayton has a sub par game for his standards. We've reached that level with him guys. We can stop worrying. We can stop coddling. He's really good. He recognizes it. We should too.
 
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I've been one of Ayton's staunchest defenders and yeah, he reeeeally struggled for the majority of the game. He was great down the home stretch but if he'd had the level of focus he did in the previous game there wouldn't have been a home stretch, we would have ran them out of the gym in the 3rd.

But hey, that was his worst game of the playoffs, and he still showed the toughness to make an impact anyway. I view it as yet another learning moment by a guy who has grown by leaps and bounds this season.
 

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Lol I love Ayton. Please guys stop making me do this.

One, Ayton himself thought he sucked in game 2.

Two, Jae Crowder shot 0-5 from 3, 0-8 from the field, with 1 point in game one, and had the highest +/- on the team with +19. Can we please stop representing +/- as an accurate measurement of single game individual play quality? It is a team related stat that is insightful in larger sample sizes, but can have way too much distortion from game to game. I'm not even sure everyone knows what it's actually quantifying.

It is OK to admit when Ayton has a sub par game for his standards. We've reached that level with him guys. We can stop worrying. We can stop coddling. He's really good. He recognizes it. We should too.
He was bad through 3 quarters and I don't think anyone can make any sort of argument otherwise.

He had a good 4th quarter and was a big part of closing out the game, but I don't particularly see any issue with saying he had a bad game despite a good 4th quarter.
 

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He was bad through 3 quarters and I don't think anyone can make any sort of argument otherwise.

He had a good 4th quarter and was a big part of closing out the game, but I don't particularly see any issue with saying he had a bad game despite a good 4th quarter.
Yeah I don't think there's much question there. But I'm not sure if it was a lack of focus or if he started out confused which quickly became frustration. When Monty told him to just use force and basically ignore everything else, everything changed for him.
 

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Yeah I don't think there's much question there. But I'm not sure if it was a lack of focus or if he started out confused which quickly became frustration. When Monty told him to just use force and basically ignore everything else, everything changed for him.

Monty simplified the game for Ayton. He understood using force. I hope Ayton doesn't worry stats define him in a particular game.
 

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Monty simplified the game for Ayton. He understood using force. I hope Ayton doesn't worry stats define him in a particular game.

He shouldn't but he does. I can't blame him either considering the media has done nothing but hype guys drafted after him like Luka for damn near averaging a triple double right away and Trae Young being a top 10 scorer. They use those stats to question whether the Suns should have taken Ayton #1 overall. Its not just the media but fans as well, not all but a lot. That shouldn't be an issue now that he's playing in the NBA Finals but he is just 22.
 

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He shouldn't but he does. I can't blame him either considering the media has done nothing but hype guys drafted after him like Luka for damn near averaging a triple double right away and Trae Young being a top 10 scorer. They use those stats to question whether the Suns should have taken Ayton #1 overall. Its not just the media but fans as well, not all but a lot. That shouldn't be an issue now that he's playing in the NBA Finals but he is just 22.

I'm glad Monty knew the bottom line when talking to Ayton because he had his head down when he started talking to him.

As you point out he is only 22 but he is doing something Young and Luka aren't doing... playing in the Finals.

He is anchoring the Suns in the middle defensively something that doesn't always show up in the stats. Also the Bucks were sagging their defense in Game 2 sometimes having 2-3 players guarding him.
 
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I've been one of Ayton's staunchest defenders and yeah, he reeeeally struggled for the majority of the game. He was great down the home stretch but if he'd had the level of focus he did in the previous game there wouldn't have been a home stretch, we would have ran them out of the gym in the 3rd.

But hey, that was his worst game of the playoffs, and he still showed the toughness to make an impact anyway. I view it as yet another learning moment by a guy who has grown by leaps and bounds this season.
This. All day this.
 
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