Deandre Ayton and Rookie expectations

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  1. Yuma

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    A teammate of Ayton’s, fellow Suns rookie Mikal Bridges, was the leading vote-getter among players who didn’t make either the first or second team. He received one first-team vote and 29 second-team votes.
     
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    Monty Williams on Ayton, above.

    "I was excited about what he didn't know....." I get what Mony Williams is saying. The talent he does have with how little he nows lends a huge room for growth. However, a year into the NBA and his knowledge is that lacking? WYF? What were Igor and Corlis WIliamson doing with this guy? I know once in season practices are few, but Williamson should have been working on at least one move to try and perfect for Ayton once in season. That explains a lot of why Ayton looked like he did at Arizona. That was the last time he was coached, it sounds like.
     
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    Maybe he was coming from ground zero and so he learned a lot during the year but still had a ton left to learn. Very few things players are complete even by their third year in the league. So it’s not surprising there was a lot left untapped after a single season.
     
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    When I was a kid, I read a lot of basketball books, and biographies. What stood out to me was the old school way of teaching was to have a guy work on a signature move all during a season. Until that move was perfected and basically unstoppable. Then, next season, new move. Then four or five seasons later, a guy had enough moves that were highly polished, he moved into the realm of seasoned professional. A lot of the books, the players commented on how they fealt they were light years away from being a good professional during their rookie years. Wilt's biography he acknowledged how much skill he knew the other players had. I was just surprised, as the season went along for the Suns last year we didn't start seeing a play or move, that was an obvious, so that's what they have Ayton working on! Usually you can see guys developing at least one move during their rookie year.

    For example, Mikal Bridges on defense started playing tighter up on guys dribbling. I noticed by the end of the year at least one or two strips of guys dribbles happened every game. That was encouraging because here's a rookie stripping the ball from seasoned veterans. Mikal you could see they had him working on that dribble strip move.
     
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    Rookie of the year or not most draft experts had him being a guy that wasn’t exactly going to hit the floor running like Doncic. I think the ceiling is higher for Ayton.

    What has me so excited about him is he is still learning to play big in the NBA and he put up decent numbers.

    When I watch him play he seems like he wants to follow not lead. At times he is passive and hesitant. The best way I can describe it? It’s like the lights are not exactly on yet. When he figures out he can do what he wants against most other players!? Watch out for this kid!

    You guys agree or disagree?
     
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    Generally agree. I just don’t know if he’ll ever have the dawg enough to want to destroy opponents the way he likely could.
     
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    Agree! Fans can't expect a rookie to step into the NBA and play as an experienced Center.

    Especially having played on the perimeter as Power Forward in his one year at UofA.

    Developing the all around skills to match his rookie stats, as well as the confidence to be
    dominant (in his own way), could come with his initial years of experience. A key will be
    the coaching he receives. Coaching that he evidently did not receive his rookie season.
    And being used properly on the court, which he was not under Igor.

    Ayton appears to be mature for his young age. That is a plus. Especially being from the
    laid back atmosphere of the Bahamas. Tucson was a step up. Phoenix and the NBA are
    another step up.

    Hopefully, the Suns will field a balanced roster around him so he can develop his role.
     
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    Did Lou Alcindor "destroy" opponents? Did Bill Russell "destroy" opponents?

    Reasonable expectations preclude disappointment. And utilizing players to
    their strengths which, of course, must be developed by good coaching.
     
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    Yes Kareem demoralized them with his skill. Russell destroyed them defensively. Ayton has a physical superiority that neither of them did, but has neither the finesse of Kareem nor the defensive prowess of Russell. So he needs to maximize what he’s capable of, which should be physical dominance.
     
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    That is definitely a possibility but what a waste of potential that would be. Not that I am saying Ayton will be a HOF or superstar but we have seen great players discover a new gear when that light goes on.

    I hope that happens.
     
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    I was pretty close. 16.3 and 10.3

    With Josh Jackson being the best guy at giving him an entry pass.
     
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    I think we are looking at an AD or Dwight Howard type center out of Ayton. A guy who wins with skill moves, and not an Embid, Shaq, Wilt power guy. As Suns fans we just have to acknowlege Ayton is not going to be a power center, but more of a skill center.
     
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    Interesting that you put Howard in with the skill players, I'd have put him in with the power guys myself. As for Ayton, I don't know what he'll end up becoming. But IMO he has the physical gifts to play the finesse game and he could bang and battle with the power guys too should he desire that enough to actually commit to putting the work in.
     
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    With Igor gone, and if Jones can bring in a legit Power Forward, Ayton will have the opportunity to develop, and
    hopefully thrive, at Center, instead of being stationed at the 3-point line setting picks.

    Just as, if Jones can bring in a legit Point Guard, Booker will have the opportunity to thrive at Shooting Guard
    full time.

    What a strange and remarkable coincidence. Putting the work in . . . at the right place. :)
     
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    What I like is Monty Williams has a history of working with big men and developing them more traditionally. I expect a bump up from Ayton, and possibly more minutes, too.
     
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