Dan Orlovsky QB Rankings

[Chopper0080]

Kyler made a conscious effort to not run as much last year. I think we can saw that...

...and we saw that without his legs he is not a special player. Again, that doesn't mean he can't get there, but in 2021 he wasn't special in any way and was not a top 10 QB.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

...and we saw that without his legs he is not a special player. Again, that doesn't mean he can't get there, but in 2021 he wasn't special in any way and was not a top 10 QB.

He was special for the 1st half of the season. Sigh. He was top 10 this year, collapse or no.

 

[Chopper0080]

He was special for the 1st half of the season. Sigh. He was top 10 this year, collapse or no.

Kyler was 14th in passing yards
12th in passing TDs
15th in interception %
16th in passing 1st downs
9th in yards per completion
2nd in completion %
7th in QBR
Tied for 11th in wins
22nd in game winning drives
20th in 4th Q comebacks (scoring drive in the 4th Q when down by one score or less but not required to take the lead. He had 1.)
19th in intended air yards
13th in completed air yards.


Not a top 10 player in 2021.

 

[bankybruce]

I don't believe I can disagree with this post more.

The Bengals have been terrible for years and suddenly, after drafting Burrow and in his second year, they go to the Super Bowl. Coming off a 4 win season. 55 sacks allowed by his trash offensive line (3rd worst in the NFL). 4611 tards passing and 34 tds. You don't equate that to the QB?

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Ja'Marr Chase having one of the best rookie seasons ever didn't hurt either. It does show that a QB does need weapons, but your overall point is valid. Having an upgraded OL this season will help him be even better and the Bangles are going to be fun to watch!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Kyler was 14th in passing yards
12th in passing TDs
15th in interception %
16th in passing 1st downs
9th in yards per completion
2nd in completion %
7th in QBR
Tied for 11th in wins
22nd in game winning drives
20th in 4th Q comebacks (scoring drive in the 4th Q when down by one score or less but not required to take the lead. He had 1.)
19th in intended air yards
13th in completed air yards.


Not a top 10 player in 2021.

I'll disagree and leave it at that.

 

[Chopper0080]

I'll disagree and leave it at that.

In the face of those stats that is about the only argument you can make.

 

[Chopper0080]

Craziest 2021 Kyler Murray stat...13 fumbles, 0 lost.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

In the face of those stats that is about the only argument you can make.

Except stats don't show the entire picture. Through 9 or 10 games of the season, he was an MVP candidate. The Cards weren't winning in spite of Murray during those games either.

 

[Proximo]

Except stats don't show the entire picture. Through 9 or 10 games of the season, he was an MVP candidate. The Cards weren't winning in spite of Murray during those games either.

It was basically the first 7 games, and you don't get to just forget the second half of the season's performance if you are making an honest evaluation.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It was basically the first 7 games, and you don't get to just forget the second half of the season's performance if you are making an honest evaluation.

I'm not forgetting it. Being a top 2 or 3 QB for half of the season and top half or so for the 2nd half equals right around 10 for me.

 

[kerouac9]

Kyler was 14th in passing yards
12th in passing TDs
15th in interception %
16th in passing 1st downs
9th in yards per completion
2nd in completion %
7th in QBR
Tied for 11th in wins
22nd in game winning drives
20th in 4th Q comebacks (scoring drive in the 4th Q when down by one score or less but not required to take the lead. He had 1.)
19th in intended air yards
13th in completed air yards.


Not a top 10 player in 2021.

HE was 9th in DVOA and 7th in FO's QBR (which is adjusted for strength of opponent). I think that he's right around the top 10 although you can't really bang the table for him being top 5. The breakpoint of whether he's the 8th best QB or the 12th best feels pretty arbitrary to me.

 

[unseenaz]

Kyler was 14th in passing yards
12th in passing TDs
15th in interception %
16th in passing 1st downs
9th in yards per completion
2nd in completion %
7th in QBR
Tied for 11th in wins
22nd in game winning drives
20th in 4th Q comebacks (scoring drive in the 4th Q when down by one score or less but not required to take the lead. He had 1.)
19th in intended air yards
13th in completed air yards.


Not a top 10 player in 2021.

middle of the pack QB. how many other teams say "if our guy was healthy, if our WRs were healthy, if our line was healthy..." about their QB? a lot.

talent only takes you so far.

 

[BritCard]

Kyler was 14th in passing yards
12th in passing TDs
15th in interception %
16th in passing 1st downs
9th in yards per completion
2nd in completion %
7th in QBR
Tied for 11th in wins
22nd in game winning drives
20th in 4th Q comebacks (scoring drive in the 4th Q when down by one score or less but not required to take the lead. He had 1.)
19th in intended air yards
13th in completed air yards.


Not a top 10 player in 2021.

Now do per game. Considering you're comparing 14 game totals with 17 game totals.

You said Carr top 10 is but Carr is worse in most of these.

 

[kerouac9]

Now do per game. Considering you're comparing 14 game totals with 17 game totals.

You said Carr top 10 is but Carr is worse in most of these.

Not being able to play in every game is a relevant metric.

 

[cardpa]

To me the difference is Carr won meaningful games that they needed to win in order to get to the playoffs, Murray has yet to do that.