D-Backs trying to trade for hitter

[mark1]

http://www.aztrib.com/index.php?sty=4205

 

[outcent]

With the way Webb has been pitching and w/ Good and Patterson still available I would do the deal for Hillenbrand. Our infield would be set for years.

 

[Matrix31]

I really dont want to see any of our young pitchers trades, especially Webb. Watching his sinker, its just amazing. I wouldnt mind trading for Hillenbrand, but i just dont think hes worth all that much. Right now he looks a lot like a third base prospect that we have in AAA, Chad Tracy. Hes hitting .356 with 3 homers and 16 RBI right now for Tucson, still only 22 (23 in a couple of weeks), so its not like we are looking for a 3rd basement for the future.

 

[AZZenny]

Trade talk drives me absolutely over the edge!! We may already HAVE what we need! BRING UP CINTRON YOU MO-RONS!!!! If he doesn't make a difference, OK, then as July approaches, make a trade. But right now, Womack is just #!@&%ing squatting on a roster spot: .185 BA, .133 with runners on base!! OBP is .202. ONE WALK! 2 stolen bases. A mediocre .964 fielding percentage.

Cintron is hitting .394 after over 100 ABs, OBP is .432. Only 6 strikeouts, w/7 walks. He hits doubles. He languishes down there, while we languish up here. AHA! Let's trade some of the future for a so-so third baseman - not even a real power hitter - we probably won't really need after next year. Oh, a Mesa resident ...East Valley Trib...I got it.

Is this complete managerial ineptitude, or what!?? AAAARRRRGGGHHHH!

btw - we are doing worse against righty pitchers than left this year. We now have Barajas, Bautista, (Hammock), Moeller, Williams, and Spivey as right-handers, with Q and Baerga switch-hitters (as is Cintron). We have Gonzo, Fins, CC, Overbay, Dellucci, (and Grace) as lefties (I don't consider Womack a hitter at all). We are no longer the lefty-dominated lineup we used to be. What we don't have, is any reliable power except Gonzo.

And by the way - our "best defensive lineup"? It isn't anymore, either. Things change.

 

[Dback Jon]

I am not a Shea Hillenbrand fan - would not want to give up much, if anything for him.
I would rather try Tracy/Cintron for awhile than give up Kim/Patterson/Good/Webb.

 

[moviegeekjn]

Originally posted by AZZenny
We have Gonzo, Fins, Overbay, Dellucci, (and Grace) as lefties (I don't consider Womack a hitter at all).

Best line of the day!!!

 

[mark1]

I want Richie Sexson. I would trade Overbay in a heartbeat.

 

[Dback Jon]

Originally posted by mark1
I want Richie Sexson. I would trade Overbay in a heartbeat.

I would do that trade as well - although we would probably have to give up a pitcher as well.

 

[DWKB]

Originally posted by AZZenny


And by the way - our "best defensive lineup"? It isn't anymore, either. Things change.

Excuse my ignorance, but which lineup are you refering to here?

I would think our "best defensive lineup" is:

1B Grace
2B Spivey
SS Counsell
3B Williams

 

[AZZenny]

That's what I think is generally considered the best defensive lineup. I was surprised that Baerga and Overbay have better fielding percentages (thus far) than Grace and Matty (But the numbers don't give extra points for spectacular nabs, so may be misleading.)

Just suggested to me that putting the better offense in the lineup may not be so clearly the same thing as putting in a lesser defense anymore. Interesting.

 

[mark1]

AZZenny

You got your wish that Cintron be brought up, but nobody wanted it at the expense of Counsell on the DL. I hope Braindead Brenly plugs Cintron into the lineup and lets him bat leadoff.

 

[unc84steve]

Nobody is happy that Counsell got injured. I read it was a thumb and not his shoulder. I hope he can come back.

Fielding percentage helps to evaluate defense, but it fails to measure how often a player makes a play. Official scorers don't charge errors on balls that some fielders wave at, that others get to.

More accurately, official scorers don't charge errors on "tough chances" that better fielders convert. Tuesday's game a classic Junior Spivey example. Great physical range to stop the ball, but he couldn't pick it cleanly--ruled a hit. Other times we see it scored a hit when he fields it & then throws it in the dirt and Grace can't pick it--too tough to call an error (unless it goes into the dugout).

Baerga probably wouldn't touch those balls. Same result--base hit. Counsell probably would get some outs, and maybe some errors. CC's a better 2B than Spivey. But he can't play SS & 2B at the same time.

 

[AZZenny]

Let us all wish Counce well and hope he gets back to the infield pronto. I was at the game wailing "NO! I didn't mean I wanted Cintron THIS way!!" - but the beisbol gods are pretty literal, sometimes. Be careful what you wish for, etc. But now that we got him up here, if Alex isn't in today's lineup, I will be mighty vexed.