Civil war?

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  1. KANIDJA

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    Civil War

    How do civil wars happen?

    Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can't settle the question through elections because they don't even agree that elections are how you decide who's in charge. That's the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.

    The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that.

    But it's not the first time they've done this. The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn't really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election. There's a pattern here.

    What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don't accept the results of any election that they don't win. It means they don't believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections.

    That's a civil war.

    There's no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice. But the Democrats have rejected our system of government.

    This isn't dissent. It's not disagreement. You can hate the other party. You can think they're the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election. When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don't win, what you want is a dictatorship.

    Your very own dictatorship.

    The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is its own. Whenever Republicans exercise power, it's inherently illegitimate. The Democrats lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do? They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats. Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can't scratch his own back without his say so, that's the civil war.

    Our system of government is based on the constitution, but that's not the system that runs this country. The Democrat's system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country.

    If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything. He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. His power is unlimited. He's a dictator.

    But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can't do anything. He isn't even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented. A Democrat in the White House has discretion to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy. A Republican doesn't even have the 'discretion' to reverse him. That's how the game is played. That's how our country is run. Sad but true, although the left hasn't yet won that particular fight.

    When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren't even allowed to enforce immigration law. But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws. Under Obama, a state wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission. But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries.

    The Constitution has something to say about that.

    Whether it's Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country. If it controls an

    institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land. This is what I call a moving dictatorship.

    Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding: Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds. You can't serve in if you're not a member. If you haven't been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals. If you aren't in the club. And Trump isn't in the club. He brought in a bunch of people who aren't in the club with him.

    Now we're seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them and they send them to jail. They use the tools of power to bring them down.

    That's not a free country.

    It's not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary take out an 'insurance policy' against Trump winning the election. It's not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition. It's not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It's not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn't supposed to win did.

    Have no doubt, we're in a civil war between conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.

    — Jason Minzey, Department Head, Education Department, Eastern Michigan University
     
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    "That's a civil war.

    There's no shooting."

    I stopped right there. You have to have a war to have a civil war. Kinda implied in the name.
     
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    Give me a break. Just because you want there to be one, doesn't make the nonsense you posted true. The irony of this OP juxtaposed with the one Southpaw just posted is heavy.
     
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    I mean, fine, but the GOP tried to impeach Bill Clinton, much of the GOP tried to deny the legitimacy of Obama’s presidency for eight years, and the GOP-controlled Senate denied to even entertain a judicial nomination. Add that to the list.
     
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    The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that.

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    So many words in support of a faulty premise.

    The Mueller mandate is clear and you can get it in detail with a simple Google search. Of course you, no doubt, will question this with your unfailing ability to read between the lines. But - to the sane, a probe led by a Republican, appointed by a Republican to do the nefarious bidding of the Democrats deserves all the derision one can muster.

    What part of the term "war" don't you understand?
     
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    So, this is pretty much as far as I got (truth be told, I don't have the attention span to read ANY post as long as yours, regardless of who posted it, so don't take that too personally). "Consistently"? Really? Where do you get that from? I was musing with my husband (another member here) that I almost wish Romney had beaten Obama in 2012 (and I CAN'T STAND Romney) because it probably would've avoided a Trump presidency. Given that not only would this ultra-liberal have accepted a Romney presidency but probably would have given up an Obama term to avoid Trump, I think your argument holds no water.
     
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    And having an issue with the electoral college does not equate to wanting a dictator (first of all, that would be a term limits argument). As I mentioned in another thread, voters in parliamentary systems have frequent debates about first-past-the-post and proportional representation. They’re not looking for a dictator either. The people most looking for a dictator are the ones who shift their morals and memories to accord with their leader.
     
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    Welcome to the board @Western Font ! You seem to be a fair minded individual.
     
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    Hey Comrade, maybe do a fact check or two before you post viral talking points in here. This "piece" was written by an extremist tea party yahoo, not a Department head of a major American University

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    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-jack-minzey-modern-civil-war/

    Rating: Misattributed
    This rating indicates that quoted material (speech or text) has been incorrectly attributed to the person who spoke or wrote it.

    In May 2018, an opinion piece arguing that the United States was in the midst of a modern Civil War went viral when it was shared as if it were written by Jack Minzey, a veteran and educator from Eastern Michigan University, who had passed away a few weeks previously.

    Jack Minzey was truly an educator at Eastern Michigan University and he did pass away in April 2018. However, the essay attributed to Minzey is actually a shortened version of a speech delivered by Daniel Greenfield (a conservative author whose work can be found in publications such as FrontPageMag.com) at the South Carolina Tea Party Coalition Convention in January 2018:

    It is unclear how Minzey’s name was originally attached to this text. In similar instances, relatively unknown authors’ names are replaced by those of celebrities or well-established political pundits in order to give an opinion piece more credence, or to increase the chances that it will get shared. In this case, it seems like there was renewed interest in Minzey’s life and work following his passing, and someone took advantage of his death to bring attention to an unrelated piece.
     
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    Man. When I think somebody cannot sink any lower I am proved wrong.
     
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    I fact check some posts on Facebook a lot. Over half are just hoaxes that people share as true.
     
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    Rivercard Too much good stuff

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    Totally. Who would accept without question that a University Department head would write something so paranoid and goofy?
     

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