Chase Edmonds claims “culture issues” with Cardinals???

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I don't know how much anyone is watching/listening to outside shows...I listen to most of the pairings on NFL Radio on Sirius...and I haven't heard any of them, yet, actually be able to figure out any truth to PP and Edmonds statements against the Cardinals. These are all former players, GM's, coaches, etc. They all pretty much state the Cardinals have been signing and drafting to improve the team...maybe not all work out, but to claim they aren't trying to improve the roster for KM is just not true.
 

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I just don’t seem to hear the consistency of attacks on other teams as much as I do about the cards.
Seriously? Davante Adams refused to play another game for the Packers. Now Deebo is demanding a trade from the 49ers. Wilson demanded a trade from the Seahawks. Arians said he was lied to and "refired" from the Steelers. Those are just off the top of my head, and those are all teams with "winning cultures".

Then there's OBJ's comments on the Browns, years of players badmouthing the Bengals (until this year), Watson demanding a trade from the Texans (before his legal issues), and pretty much everyone (understandable) blasting the Jaguars.

Then there are players who have their own issues, such as Antonio Brown pooping on the Steelers, Raiders, & Buccaneers, Michael Thomas' issues with the Saints, etc.

I'm sure we could go on and on, and without much effort find bad things players have said about just about every team except the Patriots & the Super Bowl champs.

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I've heard from steroid guys that steroids can actually cause people to develop diabetes

Long term abuse yes. They’ll eventually just destroy your body in every way. Look at most of these famous body builders who are old a lot of them are in really bad shape health wise

But I used steroids over the summer now I have diabetes that doesn’t happen.

The thing about steroids is people assume there all the same. Steroids can be given to help diabetes to. Legit doctors prescribe them everyday. There are legit steroids people need that are illegal in the NFL. Not everything is a “PED”
 

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Seriously? Davante Adams refused to play another game for the Packers. Now Deebo is demanding a trade from the 49ers. Wilson demanded a trade from the Seahawks. Arians said he was lied to and "refired" from the Steelers. Those are just off the top of my head, and those are all teams with "winning cultures".

Then there's OBJ's comments on the Browns, years of players badmouthing the Bengals (until this year), Watson demanding a trade from the Texans (before his legal issues), and pretty much everyone (understandable) blasting the Jaguars.

Then there are players who have their own issues, such as Antonio Brown pooping on the Steelers, Raiders, & Buccaneers, Michael Thomas' issues with the Saints, etc.

I'm sure we could go on and on, and without much effort find bad things players have said about just about every team except the Patriots & the Super Bowl champs.

:shrug:

...dave
And you totally missed the point. Not hard to find one player badmouthing their former team. But how many teams can you line up 5 just off the top of your head (pp, Edmonds, badger, Jefferson, boldin)
 

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Long term abuse yes. They’ll eventually just destroy your body in every way. Look at most of these famous body builders who are old a lot of them are in really bad shape health wise

But I used steroids over the summer now I have diabetes that doesn’t happen.

The thing about steroids is people assume there all the same. Steroids can be given to help diabetes to. Legit doctors prescribe them everyday. There are legit steroids people need that are illegal in the NFL. Not everything is a “PED”
I know about the different types of steroids. Not all steroids are anabolic steroids.

I was actually thinking that Peterson would have been an abuser his whole career. Yes, steroid induced diabetes goes away after you stop taking them for short term, but after a while it can turn into Type 2 diabetes and become permanent. Type 2 diabetes is what Peterson has. Type 2 diabetes is also extremely rare in endurance athletes. It just looks suspicious to me. You don't have to be blasting Mr. Olympia levels of juice for decades in order this sort of thing to happen.
 

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I know about the different types of steroids. Not all steroids are anabolic steroids.

I was actually thinking that Peterson would have been an abuser his whole career. Yes, steroid induced diabetes goes away after you stop taking them for short term, but after a while it can turn into Type 2 diabetes and become permanent. Type 2 diabetes is what Peterson has. Type 2 diabetes is also extremely rare in endurance athletes. It just looks suspicious to me. You don't have to be blasting Mr. Olympia levels of juice for decades in order this sort of thing to happen.

Football players are the exact opposites of endurance athletes.

Abuser his whole career huh. I see your mind is made up
 

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And you totally missed the point. Not hard to find one player badmouthing their former team. But how many teams can you line up 5 just off the top of your head (pp, Edmonds, badger, Jefferson, boldin)
To play devil’s advocate, how many teams do you (or any of us) follow as closely as we do the cardinals?
 

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And you totally missed the point. Not hard to find one player badmouthing their former team. But how many teams can you line up 5 just off the top of your head (pp, Edmonds, badger, Jefferson, boldin)
PP and Badger are kind of a package deal...and I think looking at it from an outside angle, I find nothing wrong about how the team handled their situations.

Edmonds? He didn't really say much.

Jefferson was pissed the team didn't throw a big contract...and guess what? A year or two later the team was shown to be right!

Boldin whined because he wasn't the guy. And he never really matched Fitzgerald. I do think that in retrospect, the Cardinals could've kept him...but that was a Rod Graves situation so not rely part of the other group.
 
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Football players are the exact opposites of endurance athletes.

Abuser his whole career huh. I see your mind is made up
There is a basis for believing, maybe, just maybe that Peterson was a long term PED user.

I doubt a guy just starts using in career year eight.

Not all steroids or PEDs are about adding bulk either.
 

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There is a basis for believing, maybe, just maybe that Peterson was a long term PED user.

I doubt a guy just starts using in career year eight.

Not all steroids or PEDs are about adding bulk either.

If and that’s is an IF he was using PED’s and not something to legitimately help him then it makes total sense to start using late in your career

That’s when guys start using them the older they get they are looking for an edge looking to get back what they had. Peterson was a phenom in college your telling me he was using PED’s at LSU

Come on now
 

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Football players are the exact opposites of endurance athletes.

Abuser his whole career huh. I see your mind is made up
NFL Cornerbacks do endurance training.

I dont really see it as a shameful thing. I know its taboo among older generations but I genuinely don't look down on it. You seem like you think the idea that he used is scandalous. I think its likely that most players use.

It just makes sense. There's nothing stopping them. They are dirt cheap. Anyone can easily order them online with cryptocurrency with no risk. There are plenty of documentaries and various insider reports about how easy it is for PED users to pass even the strictest drug tests (The NFL's are not considered strict). Why would I think that any NFL athlete is not on PEDS? Why wouldn't a potential NFL athlete use something that would boost his performance? There are basically no barriers to using PEDs and that extra edge is the difference between being a multi-millionaire and being an insurance salesman. PEDs are prevalent at every level of competitive sport. The estimates for high school football are that 10% of players use. I doubt that goes down as competition gets stiffer.

So yes, when I see a standout player gets busted for PEDs and then he is diagnosed with a disease that is rare in athletes but can be caused by PEDs, I'm not going to think that he just started experimenting over the summer.
 
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To play devil’s advocate, how many teams do you (or any of us) follow as closely as we do the cardinals?
I threw that out there when I first raised the question. I follow the league generally and watch a ton of espn. So I feel like I’d see it a lot, but it’s entirely possible I’ve seen it and bc it’s not the cardinals I don’t internalize and remember it as much for other teams. Hence the reason I asked the board if they’ve seen it a lot with other teams.
 
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