Changes for Next Season?

Mainstreet

Registered User
Supporting Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2003
Posts
75,600
Reaction score
20,150
I really thought we had some decent backup guards (not great, but decent), Monty put them on ice for the playoffs for some reason. I guess we need to find some backup guards that Monty believes in enough to use them regularly. But I believe if we move on from him Carter will find a home somewhere and make our lives miserable for a decade to come.

This is puzzling why Carter didn't get more playing time in the playoffs but he is more of a defensive guard and scorer than a point guard. Anyway, at this point I think Carter has a neutral or negative trade value.

Suns need another shot creator like Cam Payne even if they keep Cam Payne. Also Payne is not afraid to play defense even though he is small.
 

AzStevenCal

ASFN Lifer
Supporting Member
Joined
Apr 2, 2004
Posts
29,651
Reaction score
6,776
Carter's offensive game is so limited i highly doubt that happens. And who would he have guarded had he received playing time? Jrue wasn't much of a scoring threat, and he doesn't have the size to guard Middleton or Giannis.

His offensive game is more inconsistent than limited IMO and he is not a distributor but he can still be a factor coming off the bench. Besides his pesky defense, when his shot is on he can easily justify 6th or 7th man minutes. Much like Beverley earlier in his career.
 

AzStevenCal

ASFN Lifer
Supporting Member
Joined
Apr 2, 2004
Posts
29,651
Reaction score
6,776
This is puzzling why Carter didn't get more playing time in the playoffs but he is more of a defensive guard and scorer than a point guard. Anyway, at this point I think Carter has a neutral or negative trade value.

Suns need another shot creator like Cam Payne even if they keep Cam Payne. Also Payne is not afraid to play defense even though he is small.
Oh I don't think Carter has any more than throw-in value for a trade but IMO someone will pick him up quickly if/when he becomes available.

Nader can create his own shot, in fact he's probably better at it than anyone else on the team other than maybe Payne. And if he ever learns to consistently finish those plays where he "creates his own offense", he'd be a great backup 2 guard. But he was out far too long this season to reasonably expect anything from him during the playoffs.
 

AZman5103

Hall of Famer
Joined
Sep 8, 2019
Posts
1,318
Reaction score
1,241
Location
Idaho
We are going to have to have some of our own bench guys step up, and earn minutes. We can't bring in 6 new players.

IMO the two guys that need to be given minutes all season long are Carter and Stix. Carter plays tough D, and can get hot shooting. If Payne can take a major leap, why can't Carter? Stix...IF he can play D and rebound might be the 4 we need.
 

Mainstreet

Registered User
Supporting Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2003
Posts
75,600
Reaction score
20,150
Oh I don't think Carter has any more than throw-in value for a trade but IMO someone will pick him up quickly if/when he becomes available.

Nader can create his own shot, in fact he's probably better at it than anyone else on the team other than maybe Payne. And if he ever learns to consistently finish those plays where he "creates his own offense", he'd be a great backup 2 guard. But he was out far too long this season to reasonably expect anything from him during the playoffs.

I thought Abdel Nader was the poor man's Kelly Oubre. He can slash to the basket, hit the three and play defense but I never thought of him as a shot creator where he can take a defender off the dribble. I do like Nader and would be pleased if he comes back.
 

82CardsGrad

7 x 70
Joined
Dec 31, 2004
Posts
33,463
Reaction score
4,308
Location
Scottsdale
I dont get this bashing Paul or saying hes done because Holiday made him work hard while he was already dealing with an injury. Jrue Holiday has been 1st Team All Defense twice and 2nd Team once in the last 4 years. He's not some scrub. He's legitimately a top 5 defender in this league.

Where did I say he was "done?" And, as best as I can tell, he suffered his injuries prior to the Bucks series...prior to Holiday defending him.
As I clearly stated, the ONLY thing to do is to re-sign CP3.
 
Last edited:

82CardsGrad

7 x 70
Joined
Dec 31, 2004
Posts
33,463
Reaction score
4,308
Location
Scottsdale
all time greats don’t struggle with Jrue Holiday period. It’s not that he made him work it’s that he dominated him at points.
It's really both. Perhaps, if Paul faced off against Holiday earlier in the playoffs, he might not have been so adversely impacted by Holiday - though I have my doubts about that.
Nonetheless, Holiday's size and physicality wore CP3 down. Not sure if they're stats for this, but my recollection is that Paul was a rare option for bringing the ball up the court in Game 6. No doubt a nod to how effective Holiday had been on Paul.
 

Chris_Sanders

Super Moderator
Super Moderator
Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
Sep 14, 2002
Posts
29,475
Reaction score
11,217
Location
Scottsdale, Az
My guess is that we bring back nearly the entire roster as is and hope to be on the buyout train for size. The only move I would make is to move Bridges while his value is at it's highest before we have to pay him his extension
 

Hoop Head

ASFN Lifer
Joined
Feb 4, 2005
Posts
11,156
Reaction score
5,255
Location
Tempe, AZ
Where did I say he was "done?" And, as best as I can tell, his suffered his injuries prior to the Bucks series...prior to Holiday defending him.
As I clearly stated, the ONLY thing to do is to re-sign CP3.

You entirely dismissed Holidays credentials while saying he beat Paul into submission. I know that isn't saying he's done but I was being a bit general because you aren't the only person to point to how he played in the finals as a reason why we should explore other options.

And yes he suffered his injuries before the Bucks series. I don't get why that's so worth mentioning now. He was injured going against the best defensive PG in the entire league. Holiday can slow down anyone. Paul looked great until he went up against him while he was hurt. Harden went at Holiday in the playoffs injured also and didn't look great so should the Nets look at their options also?
 

AzStevenCal

ASFN Lifer
Supporting Member
Joined
Apr 2, 2004
Posts
29,651
Reaction score
6,776
Where did I say he was "done?" And, as best as I can tell, he suffered his injuries prior to the Bucks series...prior to Holiday defending him.
As I clearly stated, the ONLY thing to do is to re-sign CP3.

IIRC the dislocated finger happened early in game 3 of the Bucks series?
 

Mainstreet

Registered User
Supporting Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2003
Posts
75,600
Reaction score
20,150
The Suns played 22 extra games in the playoffs. It can wear on a team. I now understand why stars try to preserve their body during the season.

If the Suns keep Paul they need to plan on giving him more rest even if he wants to play every game.
 

82CardsGrad

7 x 70
Joined
Dec 31, 2004
Posts
33,463
Reaction score
4,308
Location
Scottsdale
You entirely dismissed Holidays credentials while saying he beat Paul into submission. I know that isn't saying he's done but I was being a bit general because you aren't the only person to point to how he played in the finals as a reason why we should explore other options.

And yes he suffered his injuries before the Bucks series. I don't get why that's so worth mentioning now. He was injured going against the best defensive PG in the entire league. Holiday can slow down anyone. Paul looked great until he went up against him while he was hurt. Harden went at Holiday in the playoffs injured also and didn't look great so should the Nets look at their options also?

1.) One can point out that an all-time great point guard was beaten down, while also NOT disregarding the credentials of the player who dished out the beating.

2.) I never, ever connected Paul's play with anything close to not bringing him back.

3.) I don't care what the Nets do and again, I never, ever said the Suns should "look at their options."

You guys... geeeez.
 

Mainstreet

Registered User
Supporting Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2003
Posts
75,600
Reaction score
20,150
My guess is that we bring back nearly the entire roster as is and hope to be on the buyout train for size. The only move I would make is to move Bridges while his value is at it's highest before we have to pay him his extension

I don't think Moore and Galloway will be back and the Suns have to find a replacement for Saric.
 
Top