CB Will Johnson and 2nd round picks are Hold Outs

[Mainstreet]

It's the precedent and the fact that you can never take it back.
Salaries will continue to rise. The rookie scale will increase with the next CBA...and sooner or later NFL revenue has to hit critical mass.
When that happens you can't have $400-$500 million fully guaranteed for the next five years.
The league will fold and all these players folks are so supportive of will have to play in Canada or the USFL at a fraction of what they are making right now...let alone what they will be making 15 years from now.
We are already seeing the league farm out contracts to various streaming services because Fox and NBC are not wanting to pay the asking price..... it's only a matter of time before every game is on a pay per view basis.

The NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement has solved the problem, at least for now.

When teams get above the second tax apron there are severe financial, free agency and even draft penalties.

Teams are doing crazy things to stay below it.

 

[Ronin]

The NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement has solved the problem, at least for now.

When teams get above the second tax apron there are severe financial, free agency and even draft penalties.

Teams are doing crazy things to stay below it.

A hard cap. But nobody says it is.

 

[kerouac9]

A hard cap. But nobody says it is.

NBA teams can still register contracts. In the NFL, you can’t unless or until you’re under the cap.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

They should have their contracts completely guaranteed IMO. The potential dead cap money is insignificant as teams well know. It's an ego thing of not giving the players a "win". And no agent wants to short his guy.

Serious question....but does a fully guaranteed contract do anything (direct or indirect) to inhibit renegotiating based on performance? Basically, does it possibly give too much, in the eyes of the owners, power to the player?

 

[ajcardfan]

Serious question....but does a fully guaranteed contract do anything (direct or indirect) to inhibit renegotiating based on performance? Basically, does it possibly give too much, in the eyes of the owners, power to the player?

No, I don't think that is it. It doesn't really change the dynamics with renegotiating IMO. Occasionally 2nd rounders do bust and are out of the league by year 4. So the owners pocket that last 2 million of cap money. They don't want to give that up. In terms of cap management that is chump change. They don't want a player they are mad at to get that year 4 money. Every team can think of a guy in their past.

JMO

 

[QuebecCard]

It's the precedent and the fact that you can never take it back.
Salaries will continue to rise. The rookie scale will increase with the next CBA...and sooner or later NFL revenue has to hit critical mass.
When that happens you can't have $400-$500 million fully guaranteed for the next five years.
The league will fold and all these players folks are so supportive of will have to play in Canada or the USFL at a fraction of what they are making right now...let alone what they will be making 15 years from now.
We are already seeing the league farm out contracts to various streaming services because Fox and NBC are not wanting to pay the asking price..... it's only a matter of time before every game is on a pay per view basis.

(lol)

The NHL is a Cap league with guaranteed salaries from draft picks to veterans.

It can be managed.

 

[kerouac9]

Serious question....but does a fully guaranteed contract do anything (direct or indirect) to inhibit renegotiating based on performance? Basically, does it possibly give too much, in the eyes of the owners, power to the player?

For a breakout player (like Trey McBride, for example), the upgrade to a second contract is going to be better than whatever guarantees they already have coming.

 

[PDXChris]

There are currently 34 unsigned picks.

1st round - 2 picks (Cincinnati, Denver)
2nd round - 30 picks
4th round - 2 picks (NE, Jacksonville)

Seattle seems to be holding up the 2nd round. Cleveland has the 4th 2nd round pick right behind Seattle and signed the 1st 2nd rounder already. They should screw Seattle and just sign the 4th player to a fully guaranteed deal.

 

[Cardiac]

There are currently 34 unsigned picks.

1st round - 2 picks (Cincinnati, Denver)
2nd round - 30 picks
4th round - 2 picks (NE, Jacksonville)

Seattle seems to be holding up the 2nd round. Cleveland has the 4th 2nd round pick right behind Seattle and signed the 1st 2nd rounder already. They should screw Seattle and just sign the 4th player to a fully guaranteed deal.

Browns are not making any friends because of the Dawson contact and now their contract with their 2nd round pick. Would be very ballsy to do what you posted.

 

[PDXChris]

Browns are not making any friends because of the Dawson contact and now their contract with their 2nd round pick. Would be very ballsy to do what you posted.

Why? The Texas signed their 2nd rounder first and forced the Browns to do it. This is the Texans mess and Cleveland could actually do something hilarious now to screw Seattle. Or they could 90% guarantee the 4th year and Seattle could then coming in at 95%.

The Houston Texans got the ball rolling on this year's second-round signings by giving 34th overall pick Jayden Higgins (the second pick in the second round) an unprecedented contract on May 8, a day before the rookie minicamp started. Higgins became the first second-round pick in NFL history to get a fully guaranteed contract. McConkey has 62.5% of his fourth-year salary in 2027 fully guaranteed. The other three years of McConkey's contract were completely secure at signing.

The Cleveland Browns quickly followed suit the next day with Carson Schwesinger, the first pick in the second round, by also fully guaranteeing his entire contract. Without the Texans breaking new ground, Schwesinger's deal may not have been fully guaranteed. Keon Coleman, 2024's first pick of the second round, has 80% of his 2027 compensation with the Buffalo Bills fully guaranteed. That's up from the 70% 2023's first second-round pick Joey Porter Jr. received as a fourth-year guarantee from the Pittsburgh Steelers.

The last 2024 second-rounder to have any money guaranteed in the fourth year was Arizona Cardinals cornerback Max Melton, who was the 11th pick. Melton has $50,000 guaranteed in 2027, which is 2.49% of his fourth-year salary.

 

[Cardiac]

Why? The Texas signed their 2nd rounder first and forced the Browns to do it. This is the Texans mess and Cleveland could actually do something hilarious now to screw Seattle. Or they could 90% guarantee the 4th year and Seattle could then coming in at 95%.

Browns contact with Watson went against what the rest of the league owners believe, no fully guaranteed contacts. Nfl almost got sanctioned with collusion because they had a meeting that talked about the Watson contract and why it wasn't a good idea.
To me at least the other 31 owners are not happy with the Browns.
I could be wrong since the Texans now have set a new precedent and maybe the Browns don't give a flying....but if it was me I wouldn't put the spotlight back on myself.
Browns look to be a goofy organization at this time.

 

[BACH]

Browns contact with Watson went against what the rest of the league owners believe, no fully guaranteed contacts. Nfl almost got sanctioned with collusion because they had a meeting that talked about the Watson contract and why it wasn't a good idea.
To me at least the other 31 owners are not happy with the Browns.
I could be wrong since the Texans now have set a new precedent and maybe the Browns don't give a flying....but if it was me I wouldn't put the spotlight back on myself.
Browns look to be a goofy organization at this time.

There was a rumor floating around that the GM and Stefanski told off the owner Haslan pre-draft basicly saying that he forced these bad decisions, so now they are going to correct it by stockpiling picks.

 

[PDXChris]

Browns contact with Watson went against what the rest of the league owners believe, no fully guaranteed contacts. Nfl almost got sanctioned with collusion because they had a meeting that talked about the Watson contract and why it wasn't a good idea.
To me at least the other 31 owners are not happy with the Browns.
I could be wrong since the Texans now have set a new precedent and maybe the Browns don't give a flying....but if it was me I wouldn't put the spotlight back on myself.
Browns look to be a goofy organization at this time.

This is no where the same at Watson. We're talking a few percent points difference on the 4th year. If I were to bet, my guess is 80% guaranteed for year 4 with the 4th pick and 90% for Seattle. They're arguing over a potential payout of $50k-60k more in Seattle and its putting most 2nd round players at risk to miss some of camp over a potential payout of $50k-$60k. If I was an owner, I'm be upset with Seattle.

 

[football karma]

the 2nd round unsigned thing was a "thats interesting" in May and will become a full fledged NFL issue when camps open

based on the released text messages -- it wont be Mike B that gives in on a full guarantee to get the guy into camp

 

[Totally_Red]

How about a compromise? If you are on the roster on day 5 of your fourth year it becomes fully guaranteed. If you aren't good enough to make it to year four you don't get your year four money.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

How about a compromise? If you are on the roster on day 5 of your fourth year it becomes fully guaranteed. If you aren't good enough to make it to year four you don't get your year four money.

Why would that be a compromise? A 100% fully guaranteed deal vs basically seeing out your entire contract? A compromise would be something like if you are on the 53 man roster at the start of year 2, fully guaranteed.

 

[PDXChris]

Why would that be a compromise? A 100% fully guaranteed deal vs basically seeing out your entire contract? A compromise would be something like if you are on the 53 man roster at the start of year 2, fully guaranteed.

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[dreamcastrocks]

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[Ronin]

Chargers rookie Tre Harris becomes first NFL training camp holdout, as 30 second-rounders still haven't signed

Chargers rookie Tre Harris becomes the first official holdout, after the first 2 Round 2 picks received unprecedented, fully-guaranteed contracts in May.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[CardNots]

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My goal is one every 5 years or so…

 

[TruColor]

My goal is to post something that's actually relevant to the discussion.

 

[kerouac9]

My goal is to post something that's actually relevant to the discussion.

Rivalry jersey release date???

 

[oaken1]

Rivalry jersey release date???

Or a sneak peek even?

 

[TruColor]

Rivalry jersey release date???

Or a sneak peek even?

I don't know the answer to either of these, so my reputation remains intact.