Bucks or Hawks?

Bucks or Hawks? Who would you rather face?

  • Bucks

    Votes: 29 55.8%
  • Hawks

    Votes: 23 44.2%

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lorenzotexan

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The only reason I don’t agree with you is the clippers (a) are much more physical and dirtier team; and (b) Lue is a MUCH better coach than bud. Also, the clips don’t have an odd Achilles like giannis free throw shooting. I wonder if we’ll hack-a-freak at all.

I see matchups like this:
Paul >> jrue
Book > middleton
Bridges > tucker
Giannis >>> crowder (if giannis healthy)
Ayton >> lopez

Payne > teague
Cam Johnson > connaughton
Portis >> saric
Craig = forbes

Some of these single “>” are slim advantages. But if everyone plays to form I believe there’s a distinct advantage on a player-by-player basis for the suns.
I agree with Paul, Booker and Ayton for sure. Lopez is still frustrating because you never know what to expect from him. he can shoot 3s or get easy points at the rim, or he could have a bad game.

I'll take your word for the rest of them because I don't know as much about either team other than what I've seen in the last couple series. compared to the Bucks I definitely think that the Clippers have more 3 point shooters and perhaps ball handlers that can attack the paint and/or dish the ball to other open shooters. the bucks are also like the clippers in the way that they have a lot of length. they shoot well and they rebound probably better than the Clippers? Giannis is obviously the key for the bucks. they need him to win this series.

regardless of Giannis' form, the bucks need to let holiday have more of the ball and let Giannis have some time in the paint. you are right about his free throw shooting. so far it hasn't cost them, but that is something that could be a factor.
 

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I was going to mention pretty much everything you did. Paul also had a lot of family there as well and is nearing the end of his career.

To accomplish what he did in front of those people after such a gritty series, one that he almost missed because of Covid and then his hand injury, made it a perfect storm of sorts for him. You can't write a better trip for him than he's been through this offseason.
for sure and I remember Paul mentioning what the clippers meant to him and what it meant to win in that building. Looking at the Bucks, I don't think any of them are in that situation where they would be having that type of emotional outburst in tonights game. but they did look very calm considering they just won the eastern conference.
 

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I agree with Paul, Booker and Ayton for sure. Lopez is still frustrating because you never know what to expect from him. he can shoot 3s or get easy points at the rim, or he could have a bad game.

I'll take your word for the rest of them because I don't know as much about either team other than what I've seen in the last couple series. compared to the Bucks I definitely think that the Clippers have more 3 point shooters and perhaps ball handlers that can attack the paint and/or dish the ball to other open shooters. the bucks are also like the clippers in the way that they have a lot of length. they shoot well and they rebound probably better than the Clippers? Giannis is obviously the key for the bucks. they need him to win this series.

regardless of Giannis' form, the bucks need to let holiday have more of the ball and let Giannis have some time in the paint. you are right about his free throw shooting. so far it hasn't cost them, but that is something that could be a factor.
Good point on the rebounding as they have size and their guards are good rebounders. That’s hurt us in the past. We have to have team rebounding.
 

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I think I was wrong to say Paul over celebrated given the circumstances of his career. originally I was just thinking of how he celebrated compared to the way the Bucks were celebrating tonight and that was not a good comparison to make. different players have different paths in their career and Paul has earned the right to celebrate his accomplishments. I am really pulling for him.
 

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The only reason I don’t agree with you is the clippers (a) are much more physical and dirtier team; and (b) Lue is a MUCH better coach than bud. Also, the clips don’t have an odd Achilles like giannis free throw shooting. I wonder if we’ll hack-a-freak at all.

I see matchups like this:
Paul >> jrue
Book > middleton
Bridges > tucker
Giannis >>> crowder (if giannis healthy)
Ayton >> lopez

Payne > teague
Cam Johnson > connaughton
Portis >> saric
Craig = forbes

Some of these single “>” are slim advantages. But if everyone plays to form I believe there’s a distinct advantage on a player-by-player basis for the suns.

I see it slightly differently:

Giannis > Ayton (If Giannis is healthy or close to it, and otherwise this reverses)
Lopez >> Crowder
Bridges = Tucker
Booker > Middleton
Paul >> Jrue (but Paul's ligament damage could have Paul = Jrue, much like Giannis's health is a variable)

Payne = Teague (pretty much the same player with the same strengths and weaknesses...and no, this is NOT a knock on Payne...remember that Teague is a former All-Star)
Cam Johnson = Connaughton (both streaky outside shooters with not much else offensively, and both very willing and sometimes pesky defenders who are limited athletically)
Portis >> Saric (though it was much closer in the first half of the season, before Saric's game fell off a cliff)
Craig = Forbes (except Monty has basically been playing an 8 man rotation, so expect more from Forbes than from Craig)

As I post this, I am thinking more and more that the Finals will come down to the state of Giannis's knee and Paul's hand.

Since I have seen Paul play well despite the hand, while I have yet to see Giannis after the knee, I will still go Suns in 7.
 

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I see it slightly differently:

Giannis > Ayton (If Giannis is healthy or close to it, and otherwise this reverses)
Lopez >> Crowder
Bridges = Tucker
Booker > Middleton
Paul >> Jrue (but Paul's ligament damage could have Paul = Jrue, much like Giannis's health is a variable)

Payne = Teague (pretty much the same player with the same strengths and weaknesses...and no, this is NOT a knock on Payne...remember that Teague is a former All-Star)
Cam Johnson = Connaughton (both streaky outside shooters with not much else offensively, and both very willing and sometimes pesky defenders who are limited athletically)
Portis >> Saric (though it was much closer in the first half of the season, before Saric's game fell off a cliff)
Craig = Forbes (except Monty has basically been playing an 8 man rotation, so expect more from Forbes than from Craig)

As I post this, I am thinking more and more that the Finals will come down to the state of Giannis's knee and Paul's hand.

Since I have seen Paul play well despite the hand, while I have yet to see Giannis after the knee, I will still go Suns in 7.

Jeff Teague... who has averaged 4 minutes and 2 ppg in the playoffs = Payne?

**** with that complete and utter garbage.

Lopez >> Jae? That’s a joke also. That’s a wash. Lopez brings nothing to the court on offense except shooting bad threes if Giannis is in there and if Giannis isn’t, will get shutdown by Ayton. On defense he’s a weak inside presence at best.

I mean, based on your post above, you have the pathetic Bucks bench better than the best bench in the league.

your pessimism is a joke, as it has been all season.
 

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Monty needs to put him back in the rotation in order for that to happen.

did you watch Game 6? You know... when he played 31 minutes? Monty made the decision to limit Craig’s minutes in Games 3-5 of the WCF, but realized his mistake and went back to playing him just as he had throughout The Lakers and Denver series.
 

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Jeff Teague... who has averaged 4 minutes and 2 ppg in the playoffs = Payne?

**** with that complete and utter garbage.

Lopez >> Jae? That’s a joke also. That’s a wash. Lopez brings nothing to the court on offense except shooting bad threes if Giannis is in there and if Giannis isn’t, will get shutdown by Ayton. On defense he’s a weak inside presence at best.

I mean, based on your post above, you have the pathetic Bucks bench better than the best bench in the league.

your pessimism is a joke, as it has been all season.
Yeah, the Teague comparison is laughable at best.
 

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did you watch Game 6? You know... when he played 31 minutes? Monty made the decision to limit Craig’s minutes in Games 3-5 of the WCF, but realized his mistake and went back to playing him just as he had throughout The Lakers and Denver series.

Yes...and the only reason Craig got that playing time was that Cam Johnson was out with food poisoning. Look at Monty's rotations the rest of the playoffs.
 

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Yes...and the only reason Craig got that playing time was that Cam Johnson was out with food poisoning. Look at Monty's rotations the rest of the playoffs.
You mean the 3 rounds of playoffs that we won?
 

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Yes...and the only reason Craig got that playing time was that Cam Johnson was out with food poisoning. Look at Monty's rotations the rest of the playoffs.

I did. I also watched. He’s averaged about 16 minutes per game (same amount he did coming off the bench this season) outside of Monty’s weird fixation with Nader that he sidelined after three games.

but keep finding any completely bs argument to try and prove that you were right all along that CP3 is washed, James Jones is a bad GM and this team will never win a title with this group.

I’m surprised you haven’t found some way to bang on the bench/trade Booker bandwagon you steered straight into a wall earlier this season.
 

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I see it slightly differently:

Giannis > Ayton (If Giannis is healthy or close to it, and otherwise this reverses)
Lopez >> Crowder
Bridges = Tucker
Booker > Middleton
Paul >> Jrue (but Paul's ligament damage could have Paul = Jrue, much like Giannis's health is a variable)

Payne = Teague (pretty much the same player with the same strengths and weaknesses...and no, this is NOT a knock on Payne...remember that Teague is a former All-Star)
Cam Johnson = Connaughton (both streaky outside shooters with not much else offensively, and both very willing and sometimes pesky defenders who are limited athletically)
Portis >> Saric (though it was much closer in the first half of the season, before Saric's game fell off a cliff)
Craig = Forbes (except Monty has basically been playing an 8 man rotation, so expect more from Forbes than from Craig)

As I post this, I am thinking more and more that the Finals will come down to the state of Giannis's knee and Paul's hand.

Since I have seen Paul play well despite the hand, while I have yet to see Giannis after the knee, I will still go Suns in 7.
I see your Cam Johnson opinion is what it's always been. Sad. I'll never forget 'Cam wont be able to get his shot off in the NBA'
Well after a few days I'm already over these posts
 
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