Brother signed

[elindholm]

Is Zarko Cabarkapa still available?

 

[Chaz]

Is Zarko Cabarkapa still available?

Yea, or maybe we could replace this Griffin kid with Paul Shirley.


I bet he could average 20 in the summer league.

 

[leclerc]

Great. Another tweener. At least he's cheap.

 

[Blackification]

Anyone else find it interesting that the christmas match up between the suns and the clippers will be the team taylor griffin is on vs the teams blake griffin is on?

 

[boisesuns]

Whenever someone uses Summer League as an argument for anything I remind them that Marcus Banks scored 42 points in a SL game. Yeah, SL means less than nothing.

He did? Imagine the results if that guy was on the roster!

Oh wait....

 

[Ollie]

Is Zarko Cabarkapa still available?

Don't laugh: I think he's semi-retired.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Thumbs down for signing a draft pick?

Thread post FAIL

This.

Thumbs down for signing a draft pick?

Under most circumstances, Thread post FAIL.

For signing Taylor Griffin, another scrub brother who managed to put up a brawny 6.2 points, 3.0 rebounds and 1.0 steals in 23.8 minutes per game and shot only 31.3 percent from the field in the SUMMER LEAGUE, a league that Bo Outlaw regularly put up triple doubles in? Entirely appropriate.

There is a reason Taylor wasn't on any draft boards. (Here's a hint...he sucks)

Can you imagine the board if we DIDN'T sign one of our draft picks? More banter about wasted picks were sure to be thrown.

 

[Mainstreet]

Can you imagine the board if we DIDN'T sign one of our draft picks? More banter about wasted picks were sure to be thrown.

I think most posters think the Suns drafting Taylor Griffin was a wasted pick so I don't think there would be any outcry if he were not signed. He does not fill a need. Now if the Suns didn't sign Earl Clark that would be another matter. I cannot figure out why the Suns drafted Taylor Griffin. If Taylor could play PF I could at least rationalize the pick. There must be something going on with the Suns and Griffin of which I am not aware. Maybe he is just a likeable person.

 

[Chaplin]

I think most posters think the Suns drafting Taylor Griffin was a wasted pick so I don't think there would be any outcry if he were not signed. He does not fill a need. Now if the Suns didn't sign Earl Clark that would be another matter. I cannot figure out why the Suns drafted Taylor Griffin. If Taylor could play PF I could at least rationalize the pick. There must be something going on with the Suns and Griffin of which I am not aware. Maybe he is just a likeable person.

Tucker is just as useful as Taylor Griffin, and he was a 1st rounder. Complaining about signing a second rounder that probably won't amount to anything is wasted energy and just makes Suns fans look like sore losers. The 13th man means NOTHING.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

The 13th man means NOTHING.

Normally I would agree with you, but when your team has a glaring weakness in the middle, I think the 13th man should mean something. Unfortunately instead of addressing that obvious weakness, we sign a mediocre college player with no upside who also has to deal with a position change. Forgive me for not leading the celebration parade.

 

[Mainstreet]

Tucker is just as useful as Taylor Griffin, and he was a 1st rounder. Complaining about signing a second rounder that probably won't amount to anything is wasted energy and just makes Suns fans look like sore losers. The 13th man means NOTHING.

Perhaps if you would just look at the Suns roster as being 13 players with one player being on the IL, it would be easier to see how adding a player at a need position might have helped. I don't find comparing two players that will receive very little play time (Tucker and Griffin) as useful.

 

[carey]

What you guys really want is for the Suns to sign a "7th" man and push the 12th man to 13th.

Well, we aren't going to do that. We're going to cut Pavs and save some coin and go to battle with what we have.

 

[Chaplin]

Normally I would agree with you, but when your team has a glaring weakness in the middle, I think the 13th man should mean something. Unfortunately instead of addressing that obvious weakness, we sign a mediocre college player with no upside who also has to deal with a position change. Forgive me for not leading the celebration parade.

No team plays their 13th man or even their 11th or 12th man, so I wouldn't worry too much that Griffin will be relied on at any time this season.

 

[elindholm]

Normally I would agree with you, but when your team has a glaring weakness in the middle, I think the 13th man should mean something.

Having your 13th man be a lousy center who will never play is no better than having your 13th man be a lousy SF who will never play. If the Suns could find a capable center who would agree to a non-guaranteed minimum contract, they would have signed him already.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

If the Suns could find a capable center who would agree to a non-guaranteed minimum contract, they would have signed him already.

Therein lies the problem. Again, it gets back to the same issue, a major hole that the FO refuses to address by any means other than a minimum salary. Frankly a lousy center may be a better option than Frye or Lopez at center. I really wouldn't be shocked if we see plenty of Clark at PF, and Amare at C.

 

[mojorizen7]

Having your 13th man be a lousy center who will never play is no better than having your 13th man be a lousy SF who will never play. If the Suns could find a capable center who would agree to a non-guaranteed minimum contract, they would have signed him already.

What about when your 5th man is a lousy center?

 

[mojorizen7]

Therein lies the problem. Again, it gets back to the same issue, a major hole that the FO refuses to address by any means other than a minimum salary. Frankly a lousy center may be a better option than Frye or Lopez at center. I really wouldn't be shocked if we see plenty of Clark at PF, and Amare at C.

This is most definately what we're going to see my friend....along with a combo of Amare/Frye.

 

[KloD]

I don't understand the problem here? It shouldn't be surprise to anyone that the Suns aren't going anywhere this season. I would be shocked if they end up within yelling distance to the 8th seed. Why on earth would any business minded FO fork out above minimum and the tax for a center/big man that 1) would hardly see the floor and 2) wouldn't make a difference in the final season record? I guess people are just having a hard time accepting that this year and most likely the next few are for finding youth and getting them minutes. Nash was kept on to fill the seats and keep the season ticket holders happy. In fact I expect his minutes to go down to try and keep him healthy and keep his fans buying tickets. Amare is most likely gone, he's not proven to be worth the max.

 

[Mainstreet]

What about when your 5th man is a lousy center?

I think Carey and you understand most what I'm saying. IMO, the Suns really do not have a starting center whether he is considered the 5th player or the 7th player on the roster. It is something like Carey said:

What you guys really want is for the Suns to sign a "7th" man and push the 12th man to 13th.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I would be shocked if they end up within yelling distance to the 8th seed.

I agree with the underlying message of your post but barring significant injury issues I'd be shocked if we're not at least competing for a playoff spot. A season long return to the skill ball style should serve us well as long as Nash and Amare hold up. I see us winning between 48 and 55 games and then losing a first round series in 5.

Steve

 

[SunsTzu]

Having your 13th man be a lousy center who will never play is no better than having your 13th man be a lousy SF who will never play.

I think the main problem is people are wanting an 8th/9th man since the team already have enough players on the roster with 13th man talent.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Thumbs down for signing a draft pick?

Under most circumstances, Thread post FAIL.

For signing Taylor Griffin, another scrub brother who managed to put up a brawny 6.2 points, 3.0 rebounds and 1.0 steals in 23.8 minutes per game and shot only 31.3 percent from the field in the SUMMER LEAGUE, a league that Bo Outlaw regularly put up triple doubles in? Entirely appropriate.

There is a reason Taylor wasn't on any draft boards. (Here's a hint...he sucks)

C'mon Chaz, you're better than this BS. Everyone on the board would be thrilled if he played like Blake, just like everyone would be thrilled if we had Brook instead of Robin. Unfortunately, we got the wrong brother both times.

You can be excited as you want about his signing, but I think it's far more likely than many of us will get our "wish" and Taylor will suck as anticipated.

You misunderstand my point. It would be an exciting event if it were Blake or Brook. Unfortunately Taylor is the worst of the group by far, and had so little potential he wasn't even included in most lists of draft prospects. He follows a decent but completely unremarkable college career with an awful performance in the summer league. All these factors and the fact that he's already 23 and ill suited to play the NBA 3, and it's a less than exciting acquisition. There are definitely things to look forward to and reasons to watch, unfortunately Taylor isn't one of them.



Of course, now you can read minds, very impressive. If he lit it up in Summer league there would be at least one reason for optimism. You act like his poor performance in the summer league is the only reason he isn't a viewed as a potential NBA rotation player.

So, your entire opinion of the NBA summer league is based off one one game involving Marcus Banks? Interesting sample size. I guess the fact that the every year, the best young players usually separate themselves from the pack doesn't mean anything.


The NBA scouts and GM's that show up for summer league must love wasting time, don't they know it means less than nothing?

Look, obviously there will be a couple anomalies like Marcus Banks or other players lighting it up in a game, or even throughout summer league. Regardless, the best summer league players are usually going to be better in the NBA than the players that suck in summer league. Of course it's not 100% foolproof, but to say Summer League means less than nothing is wrong.

Normally I would agree with you, but when your team has a glaring weakness in the middle, I think the 13th man should mean something. Unfortunately instead of addressing that obvious weakness, we sign a mediocre college player with no upside who also has to deal with a position change. Forgive me for not leading the celebration parade.

Therein lies the problem. Again, it gets back to the same issue, a major hole that the FO refuses to address by any means other than a minimum salary. Frankly a lousy center may be a better option than Frye or Lopez at center. I really wouldn't be shocked if we see plenty of Clark at PF, and Amare at C.

ASUChris - about a year ago I used to think you brought something to the table in terms of logic and good points and even begrudgingly agreed with you from time to time.

But the Suns and Sarver have made you sooooo bitter that the points you make on this forum nowadays are just well.......absolutely ridiculous?

So you are pissed because a mid second round pick and warm body on EVERY single other team was just signed to a minimum contract to be the 13th player on your "beloved" Suns?!? Enough so to spend 8 or so posts railing on it in this thread and defending your point?

LOL

Sounds like you are just pissed to be pissed at this point. I mean is this really worth getting worked up over or even having a strong opinion on one way or the other?

Was Lebron available and I didn't realize? And that "always getting the lesser brother" comment almost made me spit out my Diet Coke.

:shakingmyhead:

Really anyone getting this worked up and gnashing their teeth about SIGNING TAYLOR GRIFFIN should probably take a deep breath and lay off the forum for a little bit

 

[CaptainInsano]

Well can you honestly blame him? Things these last few years have been horrific for Suns fans. It makes sense to me how some people might be a little hypersensitive towards the bland decisions our GM team of imbeciles makes these days.

 

[Mainstreet]

I believe ASUCHRIS makes some valid points. The Suns should aim higher than at best obtaining mediocrity. A roster spot can be a valuable asset. IMO, the only reason most anyone can be satisfied with the signing of Taylor Griffin is that they have accepted the franchise's spin to save money. There were a lot of role playing big men that went for fairly reasonable salaries this off season.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

It's just not a big deal and tantamount to going to ballistic about a red light.

To each his own I guess.....

I didn't mean to single out Chris as much as I think the fact that this has gotten 4 pages of posts and 90% to them are full of shock and dismay...well its just kind of funny.

I would think anyone would have to admit the level of anger and bitterness on this forum specifically is enough to make you depressed.

It ain't that bad guys.....