Bradley Beal 'Preciation Thread

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The same here. I've seen versions where Claxton was included.
Including Claxton would likely cost another first and then some. I'd be happy just to get under the apron so we could actually have flexibility to make trades.
 
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I'd do the deals with the Nets but don't believe Ishbia would. That would be admitting the KD was a colossal mistake, which it was, but requiring Cam confirms it. It would give me hope that he's learning from his mistakes.
 

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I'd argue trading KD for a fraction of what they gave up following the embarrassment that has been the past 2 seasons is a far greater admission than getting back a player that was originally traded for him.
 

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Now that we have a roster going, I'm in the minority but I like the new roster, it aligns with modern nba basketball.

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Allen

O'neal
Martin
Brooks

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What would you like to see in return for Beal?
 

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Now that we have a roster going, I'm in the minority but I like the new roster, it aligns with modern nba basketball.

Book
Green
Allen

O'neal
Martin
Brooks

Dunn
Flem

Williams
Malauch
Richards

What would you like to see in return for Beal?

A PG. This group is going to need an exceptional PG not named Booker.
 

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If we have to keep Beal, now we have some pieces that can play either the starting team or the back ups, and not suffer as much as we did last season when the second unit came in.

First unit, I am guessing because we need to showcase guys, and because of defense, to start the season I could see:

Booker
Green
Brooks
Dunn
Williams

Second Unit:

Beal
Brea
Maluach
Fleming
Gillespie?
 

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If we have to keep Beal, now we have some pieces that can play either the starting team or the back ups, and not suffer as much as we did last season when the second unit came in.

First unit, I am guessing because we need to showcase guys, and because of defense, to start the season I could see:

Booker
Green
Brooks
Dunn
Williams

Second Unit:

Beal
Brea
Maluach
Fleming
Gillespie?

I would put that much stock in Brea and Flem just yet. There are still some vets who can fill in and play D and shoot 3's, Martin and O'neal. Brea would have to overtake Allen.
 

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I would put that much stock in Brea and Flem just yet. There are still some vets who can fill in and play D and shoot 3's, Martin and O'neal. Brea would have to overtake Allen.
I am assuming Allen and O'Neal are gone. With Brooks, O'Neal is the same player, and Brooks is better. O'Neal is cheaper, which means we would could move Brooks. Either way, you are only talking 1-2 spots. Just keep in mind, all these guys we drafted have to get playing time to develop. Second unit is a great way to do just that.
 
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I am assuming Allen and O'Neal are gone. With Brooks, O'Neal is the same player, and Brooks is better. O'Neal is cheaper, which means we would could move Brooks. Either way, you are only talking 1-2 spots. Just keep in mind, all these guys we drafted have to get playing time to develop. Second unit is a great way to do just that.

The G-League being in Phoenix is huge. They can practice with the Suns and see floor time there half the year. Got to give Sarver a little credit for the training facility but considering Ishbia has built one for the Mercury, it was a matter of time that one would be available. Ishbia getting us a G-League squad again is the main thing that allows everything to sort of intertwine.
 

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The G-League being in Phoenix is huge. They can practice with the Suns and see floor time there half the year. Got to give Sarver a little credit for the training facility but considering Ishbia has built one for the Mercury, it was a matter of time that one would be available. Ishbia getting us a G-League squad again is the main thing that allows everything to sort of intertwine.
Just heard Gambo say the Suns expect Brea to get minutes this season.
 

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Now that we have a roster going, I'm in the minority but I like the new roster, it aligns with modern nba basketball.

Book
Green
Allen

O'neal
Martin
Brooks

Dunn
Flem

Williams
Malauch
Richards

What would you like to see in return for Beal?
Cap space
 

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I would put that much stock in Brea and Flem just yet. There are still some vets who can fill in and play D and shoot 3's, Martin and O'neal. Brea would have to overtake Allen.
I hope Allen is gone
 

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Beal would have to take roughly $14m pay cut for the Suns to stretch him and get under the 15% stretch limit because they’re already stretching Nassir Little’s contract. It would be possible to waive him, take his full cap hit for next season then stretch his waived deal with one year left on his contract. We could also attach and first rd pick to dump him but still take back equal salary. None are great options.
 

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I was listening to ESPN today and they mentioned LeBron opted into the last year of his deal at $52.6 million. I was like, WHAT??? So I had to look it up, Bradley Beal will make $53.6 million this season! In what universe does Bradley Beal make MORE than LeBron James. IDK if James is older, or whatever. This should not be happening!
 
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I was listening to ESPN today and they mentioned LeBron opted into the last year of his deal at $52.6 million. I was like, WHAT??? So I had to look it up, Bradley Beal will make $53.6 million this season! In what universe does Bradley Beal make MORE than LeBron James. IDK if James is older, or whatever. This should not be happening!

Lebron switching teams regularly hurts his overall earnings.
 

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So. Can Beal be traded? It is a huge contract, but it is only two years, now. Next year it will be a huge expiring. He would not be a bad risk for a team that sees itself with a short remaining window.
 

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So. Can Beal be traded? It is a huge contract, but it is only two years, now. Next year it will be a huge expiring. He would not be a bad risk for a team that sees itself with a short remaining window.
The trouble with trading Beal is that his value is so tarnished that you need to attach significant assets to convince another team to touch that contract this year. Maybe next year it's not as bad as it's only one year to eat, but at that point it's probably better for Phoenix to stretch and waive the 57m over 3 years than to give up any other value to offload him.
 

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So. Can Beal be traded? It is a huge contract, but it is only two years, now. Next year it will be a huge expiring. He would not be a bad risk for a team that sees itself with a short remaining window.
I think it's small chance. However, there's rumors at least three teams are supposedly interested. We don't have that much draft capitol to get rid of him with.
 
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So. Can Beal be traded? It is a huge contract, but it is only two years, now. Next year it will be a huge expiring. He would not be a bad risk for a team that sees itself with a short remaining window.

He's the only guy with a No Trade Clause in the league. That is the biggest issue to overcome since he likes it in Phoenix and doesn't need to accept a deal.
 

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Additional problem is that you can't just trade him- he has to agree to that trade. I feel bad saying this because I have no issues with Brad Beal the person, but there is just nothing for him to do here. Because of his injuries, you can never build any continuity.
 

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The trouble with trading Beal is that his value is so tarnished that you need to attach significant assets to convince another team to touch that contract this year. Maybe next year it's not as bad as it's only one year to eat, but at that point it's probably better for Phoenix to stretch and waive the 57m over 3 years than to give up any other value to offload him.
I would not give up any assets to offload him. We can just let him sit and develop our young core. If he wants to negotiate a trade or buyout, that is up to him.
 

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I would not give up any assets to offload him. We can just let him sit and develop our young core. If he wants to negotiate a trade or buyout, that is up to him.
I don't want to give up anything to trade him either. If he helps our young guys and comes off the bench, fine. If he doesn't want that role or is a distraction, then stay home and get paid.
 

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Yeah, 7th or 8th man is likely the best role for him. If he is there, let him score some points, but you can't rely on him. If he's not happy with that, then he can go home and sit on his ass the rest of the season. Next offseason, I am more inclined to be OK with buying him out, as that only hurts you for three years instead of five.
 
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If Ayton couldn't be dealt as an expiring, I'm not sure Beal even has value as an expiring deal after this season.
 
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