Better QB in 5 Years: Murray, Burrow, Tua, Herbert or Trevor Lawrence

Discussion in 'Arizona Cardinals' started by Timm Rosenbach, Nov 11, 2019.

Best in 5 years

  1. Kyler Murray

    55 vote(s)
    77.5%
  2. Burrow

    2 vote(s)
    2.8%
  3. Tua

    1 vote(s)
    1.4%
  4. Herbert

    1 vote(s)
    1.4%
  5. Lawrence

    12 vote(s)
    16.9%
  1. Cardinal

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    It obviously won’t be Kyler because he’ll be playing in the MLB.

    Am I doing this right?
     
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    I dont think Rosen even wins 3 and ties one of these games.

    You cant compare records against last year because the schedule changes and your divisional opponents change.

    Last year the Niners were hot garbage.

    No one is pretending he had a perfect game Solar. You love putting words in people's mouths.
     
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    Krangthebrain Captain of Team Murray

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    If the Cardinals defense even played at a league average level, the Cardinals likely have a winning record.
     
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    Cbus cardsfan Back to Back ASFN FFL Champion

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    I’ll vote for the guy Burrow couldn’t beat out at Ohio State.

    I still think Darnold is the young QB with the brightest future. But it’s all about situations and Murray is probably in the best situation.
     
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    and people like you and others were degrading fellow fans for daring to question him.

    so, what's worse? Cardinals fans bashing a guy who wasn't even on the team yet? Or Cardinals fans bashing other Cardinals fans for a guy who wasn't even on the team yet.
     
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    It's that Kyler debate again...
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    I agree. Even though Murray has run himself into some sacks, he's still been a Houdini on many, many more. Rosen would have been sacked close to 40 times already this season. Maybe more.
     
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    That was a little hyperbole at the end, kinda poorly written. I just was essentially trying to say Kyler had his hand in losing the game at the end with two pretty bad things.

    As far as winning or losing as far as the record goes? There's no guarantee that Rosen or whoever could play well enough to win them, no, or if the defense would have been relatively adequate with a Quinnen Williams or Joey Bosa, but the only comparison we really can have is just record vs. record, and as of right now, we're still a three win team. The wild, Hail-Mary move that Keim made to save his career with the Cardinals is still very much at risk, and while it's a step up offensively, there's plenty of room for doubt that it's much of a step up in terms of the long term outlook for this team.
     
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    What are ignoring or just not seeing is that Murray is the biggest reason the Cardinals are more competitive this year. If another QB was here (cough Rosen), I wouldnt doubt if the Cardinals were 0 fer.

    Schedules change. Teams change. Last year the Cardinals swept the Niners. This year they likely get swept. Murray was the reason they were even in the game against the Niners.

    And this isn't the same as the Plummer problem, you know...Jake Plummer would put the team in a hole and then save the day....Murray isnt putting the team in a hole. He has been historically good at not turning the ball over. 5 TOs is magnificent. His TD numbers could be higher, but the lack of TOs is good football especially considering his historically high pass attempts.

    I bet you Murray ends the season with around 20-25 total TDs...you want to take that bet?
     
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    I'm watching Minnesota vs. Iowa.

    Nate Stanley of Iowa has a canon for an arm.
     
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    Murray is undoubtedly the most promising young QB the Cardinals have ever had in their time in Arizona. He's good. Very good. Is he good enough to turn the tides for the team? Is he good enough to work through some mechanical errors and a lack of talent around him? That I don't know.

    Nothing to complain about with the lack of turnovers. I don't even have anything to complain about with the lower amount of touchdowns, besides that I don't think we have the coaching or talent around him, and we're going to buy a buffoon of a GM and glorified offensive coordinator some years of mediocrity on Kyler's back now.
     
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    Could have swore Hurts ran in the 4.4's his soph year at Bama.


    Now this is interesting... @GatorAZ



    I agree with one of the comments about a lack of awareness from Kyler or at least not on Lamar's level. While he's not 4.2 speed. At times I do see that 4.3 speed..he's just not a confident runner yet. Lamar is always in top gear.

    Kyler seems like he expects to not run as fast and blow by people. Will be interesting to follow next year when maybe he's comfortable.

    Could be the weight also. That extra 10 to 15 pounds can really slow down some people.
     
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    Caught by defensive ends??
    Did they watch him or not?
    He outrun them always, they can get him only finding the right angle
    Not the runner Lamar is, he rarely goes full speed cause looks too worry about getting tackled, but I saw a couple of run where he was caught barely by a defensive back, for example the 24 yard run when he was tackled at 1 yard line
    Isn't a instinctive runner I'm agree
     

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