Best Players Available for Trade on Cap Strapped Teams

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  1. Solar7

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    Dude, I literally said you have an excuse in my first post, I'm not coming at you. You live in a place where it's hard to watch a game. I absolutely watch more than three games a week.

    And I'm also not on board sending a first round pick for Lattimore and paying him on top of it.
     
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    Good man, u never lose your cool
     
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    Firstly, PFF watch every single play Lattimore made with 3 different sets of eyes. PFR did not.

    Second, I linked 3 different articles from the last 2 years saying how bad Lattimore had been. So I don't think quibbling over 117 or 94 really matters.

    Here's another one. Says 100.3 passer rating allowed. Although as I say I'm more inclined to go with PFF on this one as there's far more hours put into each player.

    Either way, you can see where he is ranked in each category. A lot of 40's, 50's and 60's in there.

    https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/marshon-lattimore/#!#current-year

    It's statistically clear he's not a top 10 CB. At least not recently. I'm not sure why anyone would want to pay top 10 prices.

    I'd send a 2nd max, and pay him $15m tops.
     
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    Rumor is he could be had with a 2nd because they’re so cash strapped, but the problem is we’re in the middle of the 2nd, so another team can easily jump in front of us. You state he’s not too 10, but would pay him $15m tops which would make him the 7th highest paid Corner? Again he’s covering number one WRs in a division that has a bunch of them. He’s better than anyone we’ve had the last 3 years and I think he’s better than anyone we can get at 16 at the position.
     
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    Thats how free agency works. People get paid more than they are worth now in the hope they are value at the end of the deal. I'm just being realistic.

    Here's the problem. You say he's better than anyone we've had the last 3 years but based on what? I'd guess it's based on his great rookie season which he has been coasting on ever since. I don't see recent evidence of him being close to that.

    I only said MAX 2nd because you have to gamble on a new scheme, new coaches and a change of scenery on getting the best out of him. I don't think he's worth a 2nd on recent performance but it would be a gamble on him returning to form.

    On saying all that, given his recent performances I'd rather take a shot on a rookie with a rookie deal.
     
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    Yes, after reading your posts I did some research and Lattimore clearly didn't maintain the performances of his rookie season, his performance level dropped year by year
    Maybe someone can say u don't watch the games and u put to much focus on pff grades, but isn't just that, his performances regressed
    A second round pick can be considered but a first is way too much
     
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    I was thinking the same thing but bigger. Could Cam Jordan and Lattimore both come over for our 1st and maybe someone like Rashard Lawrence? Young, Cheap, LSU pedigree.
     
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    good player

    but is a 4-3 DE

    i think he would be miscast as a 3-4 DE
     
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    My opinion is this: He has to be consistently better than Kennard or Golden.

    Also, he's an AZ guy who has been a Saints stalwart and captain for years. He's gotta be worth it across from Chandler. And lord knows he can set an edge.
     
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    he is 285 lbs

    it would basically turn your defense into a 4-3. the team can do that, it just has implications LB wise for Reddick and Simmons
     
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    Sign me up!

    Cox probably has 3 more good seasons in him. Guys that rely on speed fall off faster than guys that rely on brute force. Cox is bad, bad man.
     
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    No offense bud. I like your posts but wouldn't this be nuts?

    Cam Jordan has an average salary the next 3 years of over £19m. He's 32 years old. He's played 4-3DE his whole career. The backer that plays across from Chandler needs to be able to drop into coverage.

    It makes no sense to give away a 1st and a crap ton of money for an over age DE that had 7.5 sacks this year and a CB thats declined every single year in the league. I'm sure NO would snatch our hand off though.

    I will add the cap hit wouldn't be quite that as NO would be on the hook for nearly all his salary this year (which is why they wouldn't do it). If they do trade him it would need to be a post June 1st trade which would soften the cap hit by $5m a year but I'm still not paying him $14m.
     
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    That’s how FA has worked in the past, but with the uncertainty of the cap will make it difficult to keep paying players these lucrative contracts and making them top 10 paid players. The last 3 years PP21 has been our best corner and every year Lattimore has outplayed him. That’s what I’m basing that off of. Have you actually watched him play? Honestly, because PFF had a bad grade on him means he’s not good? Name 10 corners better than him. He’s still young and will be a lockdown corner for this team for the next 5 years if we were to get him.
     
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    Of course Ive seen him play. But like you (and everyone else here) I haven't watched him enough to form a personal opinion on his recent form.

    However, the fact there are at least 3 articles from NO fans or reporters that cover NO over the past 2 years saying he's been bad is enough for me, which is backed up by PFF grades.
     
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    re: Lattimore

    while the Saints cap situation will require them to make difficult choices

    they are picking Ramcyk-- a right tackle over Lattimore -- a CB (premium position)

    the Saints are telling us who they think is a better value to offer a big number (its not like they are saving money by signing a RT to a long term deal)
     
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