BA = Begging for Attention?

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So you actually think BA spent months banging away on his lap top?

Exactly. It's absurd to think Arians actually was the sole author of this book. He talked, someone else wrote it. His time in this book was probably done in 2 or 3 days.
 
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Dude can't even look a player in the eye, when cutting him. That's what I disliked the most, when he was on HK.

Meh. I have a hard time letting people go. I struggle with it immensely. I absolutely hate that part of my job. All of my employees love me which makes it that much harder. Picture Norm from Cheers having to take the person out to lunch. ;)
 

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Belichick runs the Patriots' offense. He gives all the credit to his offensive coaches [....] He will never ever take the bulk of credit for the 5 Super Bowl wins. He will always credit Bob Kraft, his coaches and the players.

Aha, so Belichick is a real humble guy, but you are really annoyed at Arians for promulgating the idea that his coordinators are worthy of being head coaches, and their assistants are worthy of stepping up into the top jobs.
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I read the book. Liked it. Like the proverbial Chinese meal, it left me wanting more.

It has two parallel story lines: (1) A "how to" book for coaches and QB's and (2) autobiographical snippets.

I wanted more of each.

More play & scheme diagramming

More juicy anecdotes of CP, the Badger, Fitz, the Bidwills etc.

Enough material for 2 books instead of a somehat waterered-down single body of work.

Based on my own 78-year old perspective and BA's own latest medical challenge, I'm guessing that he may have gotten in touch with his own sense of mortality and decided it was time to get something down on paper sooner rather than later.

You'd be right if you were to remind me that "beggars can't be choosers", but I selfishly would like "more BA more of the time."
 

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Aha, so Belichick is a real humble guy, but you are really annoyed at Arians for promulgating the idea that his coordinators are worthy of being head coaches, and their assistants are worthy of stepping up into the top jobs.
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@Mitch i'm dying to see how you twist and turn out of your hypocrisy when you respond to this.

I DO think BA likes attention, but theres definitely someone here who craves attention more... with pretty much zero reason to deserve it.
 
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Aha, so Belichick is a real humble guy, but you are really annoyed at Arians for promulgating the idea that his coordinators are worthy of being head coaches, and their assistants are worthy of stepping up into the top jobs.
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Belichick and Arians are polar opposites:

Belichick: never talk about Super Bowl, only the next game at hand. Arians: only thing that matters is the Super Bowl.
Belichick (after losses): we need to coach better. Arians: players, poor team leadership and referees are at fault.
Belichick (on praising his own players): if one guy does well it's because the whole team does well. Arians: bills guys as future Hall of Famers or compares his players to Hall of Famers.
Belichick (on assistant coaches): doesn't hype them the media as HC candidates because he wants to keep them, never talks about or promotes his own coaching tree. Arians: hypes them to the media and talks frequently about he's established his own "coaching tree".
Belichick (after wins): no days off. Arians: see you on Wednesday.
Belichick (on pre-season games and playing his starters into the 3rd quarters): we need the work. Arians: this is camp cupcake.

BTW, daves...you might be surprised to hear this, but Belichick actually is a very humble guy. Yes he is terse with the media and it comes across as arrogance, but the media in New England is so much more ubiquitous, hyper-critical and demanding than the media in Arizona that Belichick does his best to keep them at bay. However, each Thursday night on CBS Belichick does a 30 minute show with the sports guys wherein he talks about the last game, talks about the new opponent and breaks down film. You should hear BB talk about each opponent and see how he breaks down film -- I have never heard a coach be more respectful of other teams and the challenges they present. His film breakdowns are textbook (as you might imagine), but he doesn't bash any of his own players or the opponents, he suggests that they got outmaneuvered on the play or understandably influenced by play fake, etc. For the whole 30 minutes he is incredibly kind, soft-spoken and mindful of how challenging the next game is going to be. There is a level of commitment and sincerity to BB that is extraordinary. I think the number one secret to BB's success is his exemplary level of respect and humility when it comes to the history of the game, building teamwork, treating the officials with respect and honoring the day to day process of running a football team.

What irks me most about BA is his lack of respect...and this is why I started souring on him two years ago when it became clear that BA crosses lines that never should be crossed and never does a "mea culpa" afterward. He has no sense of self-accountability...only that he is great (as are his coaches) but he is surrounded by players who lack proper motivation and work ethic or who are failures in progress...and that he has to work in a league with ridiculous schedule makers and outrageously incompetent referees.
 

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Like Jeff, I read the book, enjoyed it, and it left me wanting more.

I also think Chris, his wife who seems to be an incredible woman, could write a terrific book.
 

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I guess that I'm the only guy who has heard Arians' say, "we've got to do a better job coaching" - from the podium after a loss.

Agreed.

Arians has taken a lot of responsibility for last season, it started right after the first game too when he said he should not have messed with the defensive game plan like he did for the Patriots game.

But, that falls on deaf ears all the time.
 

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Belichick (on assistant coaches): doesn't hype them the media as HC candidates because he wants to keep them,never talks about or promotes his own coaching tree.

Sounds like someone who implicitly wants to take all the credit for himself. Doesn't even want his assistants to get any credit or even TALK to the media to get any exposure to enhance their own careers. Self-centered, arrogant jerk.

Arians: hypes them to the media and talks frequently about he's established his own "coaching tree".

Sounds like someone who cares about his staff and wants them to be successful. I have never heard Arians mention the word "coaching tree" or claim credit for his assistants' success. Since he talks about it "frequently" i figured i would be able to find at least one instance of Arians bragging about "his" coaching tree but my Google search turned up nothing in the first 5 pages. Lots of articles talking about Arians' coaching tree, but not one quote from Arians about it.

Until another coach wins 5 Super Bowls, no one will compare favorably to Belichick overall. And you have made a couple of credible points about Arians' shortcomings. But your dislike for the man's personality seems to have caused you to lose all objectivity and go completely off the rails - blowing the negatives way out of proportion, and even distorting the positives into negatives.

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Sounds like someone who implicitly wants to take all the credit for himself. Doesn't even want his assistants to get any credit or even TALK to the media to get any exposure to enhance their own careers. Self-centered, arrogant jerk.



Sounds like someone who cares about his staff and wants them to be successful. I have never heard Arians mention the word "coaching tree" or claim credit for his assistants' success. Since he talks about it "frequently" i figured i would be able to find at least one instance of Arians bragging about "his" coaching tree but my Google search turned up nothing in the first 5 pages. Lots of articles talking about Arians' coaching tree, but not one quote from Arians about it.

Until another coach wins 5 Super Bowls, no one will compare favorably to Belichick overall. And you have made a couple of credible points about Arians' shortcomings. But your dislike for the man's personality seems to have caused you to lose all objectivity and go completely off the rails - blowing the negatives way out of proportion, and even distorting the positives into negatives.

...dave

For the record, it isn't as much BA's personality that I have concerns about (he's got some great stories and would be fun to have a few drinks with), it's his modus operandi as a coach.

BTW with Tiki Barber the other day BA raved about his coaching tree and how much pride he takes in developing young assistants into head coaches, and he stated that newly appointed QB coach Byron Leftwich is a sure-fire NFL head coach one day.
 

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For the record, it isn't as much BA's personality that I have concerns about (he's got some great stories and would be fun to have a few drinks with), it's his modus operandi as a coach.

BTW with Tiki Barber the other day BA raved about his coaching tree and how much pride he takes in developing young assistants into head coaches, and he stated that newly appointed QB coach Byron Leftwich is a sure-fire NFL head coach one day.

I am not sure why you are upset about him taking pride in building a tree and getting other coaches to become promoted.
 
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I am not sure why you are upset about him taking pride in building a tree and getting other coaches to become promoted.

It's very self-aggrandizing. Maybe his next book will be called "The Assistant Coach Whisperer, The Building of Elite NFL Head Coaches."

What makes it so dubious and hard to be taken seriously (like a lot of what BA says) is that Todd Bowles, the one assistant to become a head coach has struggled big-time with the Jets (not that his GM has done Bowles many favors, either), Harold Goodwin is getting interviews but no serious interest to date (his offensive lines have been patchwork mad scrambles for 4 years), James Bettcher was promoted way too early and has made a number of rookie mistakes, Brentson Buckner seems to be very passionate, but can he oversee an entire team?

How do you and everyone feel if Michael Bidwill and Steve Keim out of deference to BA decide to promote one of his assistants when BA retires? Is there a coach on BA's tree you want to see take over?
 

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It's very self-aggrandizing. Maybe his next book will be called "The Assistant Coach Whisperer, The Building of Elite NFL Head Coaches."

What makes it so dubious and hard to be taken seriously (like a lot of what BA says) is that Todd Bowles, the one assistant to become a head coach has struggled big-time with the Jets (not that his GM has done Bowles many favors, either), Harold Goodwin is getting interviews but no serious interest to date (his offensive lines have been patchwork mad scrambles for 4 years), James Bettcher was promoted way too early and has made a number of rookie mistakes, Brentson Buckner seems to be very passionate, but can he oversee an entire team?

How do you and everyone feel if Michael Bidwill and Steve Keim out of deference to BA decide to promote one of his assistants when BA retires? Is there a coach on BA's tree you want to see take over?
I trust Keim to make the right decision and if he puts buckner or goodwin in charge, it will be for good reason.

Tood bowles went from an overrated, unsuccesful coordinator to a head coach because of his tenure here. Failing as a HC is different, BA helped him get the job plain and simple.

So you basically just want BA to ignore people when asked questions and be a quiet, uninteresting recluse like Bellichick. Thats all this boils down to.
 

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all i know is this:

by %, winning-est Head Coach in team history

plays a fun and exciting-to-watch brand of football

instead of bland, meaningless cliches and aphorisms -- a head coach that actually says interesting things from time

and about the only criticism that sticks is: well, he isnt Bill Belicheck

training camp cant get here soon enough
 

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It will be interesting to come back to this thread once the 2017 season is over. It will be either see Mitch you had an axe to grind with BA or if it ends up as another .500 or sub .500 season then people might be saying maybe Mitch was right. Time will tell which story unfolds.
 
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I trust Keim to make the right decision and if he puts buckner or goodwin in charge, it will be for good reason.

Tood bowles went from an overrated, unsuccesful coordinator to a head coach because of his tenure here. Failing as a HC is different, BA helped him get the job plain and simple.

So you basically just want BA to ignore people when asked questions and be a quiet, uninteresting recluse like Bellichick. Thats all this boils down to.

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