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OK - FINALLY finished it. Like I mentioned in an earlier post, it has been on my to-read list for a decade.

Who else has read it? Thoughts?

I thought it was pretty powerful. It is pretty much in line w/my political/economic stance, but I'm sure it would be way open to criticism from others.

PS - I checked it out from the library in January and just returned it. I think I owe them a mortgage payment in overdue charges. Good book - but man was it long!
 

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I think I'm going to get a copy of The Fountainhead.

Every four years, someone from ASFN has to read an Ayn Rand book.
 

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Ayn Rand fascinates me and I agree on much of her philosophy, but on very different grounds. It seems to me that Rand's libertarianism, if taken to its logical conclusion, assumes man is inherently good. Sorry, no go on that one for me. Man is inherently evil in my view, but capable of pacification to a degree. I disagree with her for the same reasons I disagree with Marx on the other end of the spectrum. Ironic, isn't it?
 

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I have a friend named Galt after this book.

Wonder if I should read it.
 

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Ayn Rand fascinates me and I agree on much of her philosophy, but on very different grounds. It seems to me that Rand's libertarianism, if taken to its logical conclusion, assumes man is inherently good. Sorry, no go on that one for me. Man is inherently evil in my view, but capable of pacification to a degree. I disagree with her for the same reasons I disagree with Marx on the other end of the spectrum. Ironic, isn't it?
That just makes me sad.
 

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Ayn Rand fascinates me and I agree on much of her philosophy, but on very different grounds. It seems to me that Rand's libertarianism, if taken to its logical conclusion, assumes man is inherently good. Sorry, no go on that one for me. Man is inherently evil in my view, but capable of pacification to a degree. I disagree with her for the same reasons I disagree with Marx on the other end of the spectrum. Ironic, isn't it?

Man is inherently evil? I don't agree. Pressures outside of man (hunger, crowding, dominance etc) may force humanity to be evil, but given a world of contentment the goodness of humanity would be the guide.

Man is inherently good, until acted upon by outside forces which stimulate survival instincts which can lead to evil acts.
 

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I really liked the Fountainhead, but I have yet to read Atlas Shrugged. Perhaps I should add that to my to-do list...
 

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Man is inherently evil? I don't agree. Pressures outside of man (hunger, crowding, dominance etc) may force humanity to be evil, but given a world of contentment the goodness of humanity would be the guide.

Man is inherently good, until acted upon by outside forces which stimulate survival instincts which can lead to evil acts.
Yep. Pretty much agree. I read something once that when the word "shall not" in the Ten Commandments might have been better translated as "should not" or "can not" because the way we are wired, we, ultimately, will not be happy if we do the things set out in the commandments.


I thought it was interesting.
 

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Man is inherently evil? I don't agree. Pressures outside of man (hunger, crowding, dominance etc) may force humanity to be evil, but given a world of contentment the goodness of humanity would be the guide.

Man is inherently good, until acted upon by outside forces which stimulate survival instincts which can lead to evil acts.

Thus, the great Ayn Rand debate began again ...

I'm guessing you and Ayn have a LOT to agree on. For some interesting reading, do a search for this: "ayn rand" romanticism. Should pull up some good background.

The rest of the debate belongs in another thread so I won't drag it off topic. I'll just say there's no such as a "world of contentment" on this planet, because ultimately man craves nothing that can satisfy him for life. If you wish to discuss, PM me or start another topic.
 

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loved the book and the thought provocation. have fountainhead sitting on my nightstand staring at me. though it's been buried by about 20 other books that i've accumulated since i've purchased fountainhead (seems to get pushed further down the reading list each time i buy another book).
 

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I have now imported Atlas Shrugged into my iPod. Once I finish the Da Vinci Code in it, I plan to start listening to this book.
 

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I'm about halfway through the book and I'm really liking it...a lot.

it's going to start to dragging at some point, but stick with it, it's worth it in the end. rand pulls things tighter again.
 

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I thought it drug in the middle, and really drug during Galt's speech...god that's long. But it seems to be getting really good at the moment, I've got one CD left.
 

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I thought it drug in the middle, and really drug during Galt's speech...god that's long. But it seems to be getting really good at the moment, I've got one CD left.

i had forgotten about the speech. yeah, that didn't drag, it just flat out sucked.
 

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Good book, interesting read, read it years and years ago in college.

Wrote a paper on it and then and now I've always felt it was one of the most oddly empty books I'll likely ever read.

I never could put my finger on it but I agreed with tons of it's message, however in the end I finally figured out what it was it's missing.

A soul.

Money and production are only so important, the older you get the more you realize that, people are basic hunter gatherers, we're happy with a few nuts and berrys and that's it.

Ambition is great to an extent, however you could be a monk who did almost nothing and owned almost nothing and still be happy.

Also see Jesus.

The trick in life as in anything is balance, IMO her world view is skewed as much or more so as the very people she's railing against for sucking off the machine.

She makes passing mentions of Janitors and such to avoid looking as if she's totally going off the deep end, which IMO again just means she's vaugely aware there might be a problem with her thinking.

I still think it's a very interesting book, if nothing else it was fun for me all these years trying to figure out what it was about that book that kept bothering me.

Study Alan Greenspan sometime, he knew her and they were friends, she called him the maestro and other such nonsense, and if you follow him closely, he went from being responsible to perhaps the arbitor of our complete financial destruction by just simply corrupting himself with his own ego.

Ironic that she would be friends with a man who presided over our own financial destruction, and no I don't feel he did it on purpose or that he's solely at fault at all.

The most ironic part is he let the very forces she railed against overwhelm him, he never could be stern when he needed to discipline those folks, very ironic.
 
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I think I'm going to get a copy of The Fountainhead.

Every four years, someone from ASFN has to read an Ayn Rand book.

I finally finished this up this weekend. :)

I'll read Atlas Shrugged sometime, but will probably wait a bit to start. This is the time of year when I risk having too many books started.
 

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Good book, interesting read, read it years and years ago in college.

Wrote a paper on it and then and now I've always felt it was one of the most oddly empty books I'll likely ever read.

I never could put my finger on it but I agreed with tons of it's message, however in the end I finally figured out what it was it's missing.

A soul.

Money and production are only so important, the older you get the more you realize that, people are basic hunter gatherers, we're happy with a few nuts and berrys and that's it.

Ambition is great to an extent, however you could be a monk who did almost nothing and owned almost nothing and still be happy.

Also see Jesus.

The trick in life as in anything is balance, IMO her world view is skewed as much or more so as the very people she's railing against for sucking off the machine.

She makes passing mentions of Janitors and such to avoid looking as if she's totally going off the deep end, which IMO again just means she's vaugely aware there might be a problem with her thinking.

I still think it's a very interesting book, if nothing else it was fun for me all these years trying to figure out what it was about that book that kept bothering me.

Study Alan Greenspan sometime, he knew her and they were friends, she called him the maestro and other such nonsense, and if you follow him closely, he went from being responsible to perhaps the arbitor of our complete financial destruction by just simply corrupting himself with his own ego.

Ironic that she would be friends with a man who presided over our own financial destruction, and no I don't feel he did it on purpose or that he's solely at fault at all.

The most ironic part is he let the very forces she railed against overwhelm him, he never could be stern when he needed to discipline those folks, very ironic.

though i won't venture into the greenspan comments, i think you hit the proverbial nail on the head with the rest of your commentary. logically every argument rand makes in the book makes sense. individually each argument is appealing to the intellect. however if you have a heart you understand that the sum of each of these logical arguments means leaving your brother behind if he's getting too heavy. soulless indeed. still, an incredible read.
 

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