Assessing Petzing

[kerouac9]

The specific formations were labeled as examples and therefore not facts.

Was it a fact is that there were clear change of formation between run/pass downs and passing downs, so the defenses didn’t have to guess. Yes.

I believe that point is obvious for everyone but you. It’s what I literally write.

Go read your “negative facts” section again carefully and come back and apologize to me for doubling down again when confronted with facts where you made something up instead of just admitting you didn’t do your research.

It’s silly. Here’s where my stats come from on this.

Sometimes I want to post something, but first I check to see if it’s true, find out I was wrong, and then move forward. You should try it.

 

[BACH]

Go read your “negative facts” section again carefully and come back and apologize to me for doubling down again when confronted with facts where you made something up instead of just admitting you didn’t do your research.

It’s silly. Here’s where my stats come from on this.

Sometimes I want to post something, but first I check to see if it’s true, find out I was wrong, and then move forward. You should try it.

I have to apologize for you deliberately misinterpreting???

Sure, bro

 

[BACH]

I want to post something, but first I check to see if it’s true, find out I was wrong, and then move forward. You should try it.

With the amount of stuff you make up, you are not doing a good job

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

He gave up? Or did the QB?

a time old debate Shane. In my book their fates on this team are now tied together. They either both go down with the ship and we start over on both fronts or they both rise together

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

My take on him has been it was hard to evaluate him until he had a "real" NFL caliber offense talent wise. First year due to both injuries and just tanking IMO we had very little talent outside of the run game so he built a strong run game. Last year we were better but still not exactly loaded at WR or Guard so he ran an offense again that emphasized what we did well.

This year even though the WR situation isn't resolved, MHJ should be better, the guards are hopefully better so I want to see him open things up more when it's beneficial.

My take is he wants to make teams defend us with their base run defense or only partial pass defense in there and he achievses that by playing multiple TE's. The issue is it means less WR's so if you're the #1 Wr(MHJ) you have to be able to get open you're going to see the best CB all the time. IN theory if the run is done well enough the safety over the top isn't that big of a deal because that safety is having to account for a possible run.

the lack of speed is an issue but it sounds like Benson is looking good in camp from what I've seen on youtube and it sounds like we'll see him in the passing game more often this year.

While I totally agree with you about year 1 which was a wash and petzing made that heap of trash offense at least look somewhat respectable...I disagree with the popular opinion that a receiver is the missing key to this offense.

Sure a true burner would be gravy on top- I totally get that arguement and agree with it.

However let's not pretend that drew isn't working with arguably the best receiving tight end in football and a WR with the pedigree and mold to be a legit decade long probowler in this league. In the passing game we saw lack of innovation - Marv was the sacrificial X or told to just run straight and try to get a 50/50 ball. He's gotta be way more innovative with #18.

Drew in my books has 2 elite receiving threats and has more tools than most offensive coordinators do to at a minimum make a solid passing threat that instills fear into opposing defenses. until I see schemes that are well designed making these receiving options open and the WR is just not performing- I don't believe he deserves a new toy.

 

[Russ Smith]

While I totally agree with you about year 1 which was a wash and petzing made that heap of trash offense at least look somewhat respectable...I disagree with the popular opinion that a receiver is the missing key to this offense.

Sure a true burner would be gravy on top- I totally get that arguement and agree with it.

However let's not pretend that drew isn't working with arguably the best receiving tight end in football and a WR with the pedigree and mold to be a legit decade long probowler in this league. In the passing game we saw lack of innovation - Marv was the sacrificial X or told to just run straight and try to get a 50/50 ball. He's gotta be way more innovative with #18.

Drew in my books has 2 elite receiving threats and has more tools than most offensive coordinators do to at a minimum make a solid passing threat that instills fear into opposing defenses. until I see schemes that are well designed making these receiving options open and the WR is just not performing- I don't believe he deserves a new toy.

I want more use for MHJ too I guess what I'm saying is IMO the idea of the offense was to force defenses to put a package on the field that could handle multiple TE's which would typically mean either more DL, more LB or more S in some combination. They have to match up with your run game because you have 2 or 3 TE's on the field with a RB and a QB who can run. Then your Wr, usually MHJ and your star TE can exploit mismatches when you throw from that lineup. McBride made it work all year, MHJ often struggled to get open.

The first Rams game was the perfect example. Due to injuries they were short handed at CB and we just torched them in the first quarter, but even in that game after the first quarter just playing S over the top completely shut him down the rest of the game.

If you play multiple TE's moving the Wr around doesnt' really matter he's still the only WR on the field he's still going to get the best CB on him.

 

[Chopper0080]

The use of 21 personnel in the NFL is to try to gain an advantage in the run game by punishing teams playing nickel . The tough part is trying to attack teams by throwing out of it. Play action tends to be critical because is creates space in the defense which helps the slower offensive package create separation. All that said, if you can’t run against nickel, teams won’t shift out of it.

 

[Chopper0080]

I want more use for MHJ too I guess what I'm saying is IMO the idea of the offense was to force defenses to put a package on the field that could handle multiple TE's which would typically mean either more DL, more LB or more S in some combination. They have to match up with your run game because you have 2 or 3 TE's on the field with a RB and a QB who can run. Then your Wr, usually MHJ and your star TE can exploit mismatches when you throw from that lineup. McBride made it work all year, MHJ often struggled to get open.

The first Rams game was the perfect example. Due to injuries they were short handed at CB and we just torched them in the first quarter, but even in that game after the first quarter just playing S over the top completely shut him down the rest of the game.

If you play multiple TE's moving the Wr around doesnt' really matter he's still the only WR on the field he's still going to get the best CB on him.

Yes. The biggest thing is does your run game force the team to drop a S into the box? If so, defenses have to choose between a top WR or TE. Most teams choose to take away the WR because it is easier and limits more big plays. I would argue the Cardinals should be using McBride vertically out of that away from MHJ to make the defenses choice more obvious. Also allows Wilson to work underneath which fits his skillset more.

 

[Chopper0080]

However, a more vertical 2nd WR, which most have asked for, allows an offense to work McBride and MHJ together which creates an interesting situation.

 

[Russ Smith]

However, a more vertical 2nd WR, which most have asked for, allows an offense to work McBride and MHJ together which creates an interesting situation.

and it is a huge deal when you're behind.One of the key issues we had last year is when we were behind we didn't have any explosive plays or means to push the ball downfield to score quickly. That's where a guy like McLovin would be so huge for us he's not prime Roy Green but he can stretch the field.

But I fully expect they will find a way to keep him even if they have to franchise him

 

[oaken1]

While I totally agree with you about year 1 which was a wash and petzing made that heap of trash offense at least look somewhat respectable...I disagree with the popular opinion that a receiver is the missing key to this offense.

Sure a true burner would be gravy on top- I totally get that arguement and agree with it.

However let's not pretend that drew isn't working with arguably the best receiving tight end in football and a WR with the pedigree and mold to be a legit decade long probowler in this league. In the passing game we saw lack of innovation - Marv was the sacrificial X or told to just run straight and try to get a 50/50 ball. He's gotta be way more innovative with #18.

Drew in my books has 2 elite receiving threats and has more tools than most offensive coordinators do to at a minimum make a solid passing threat that instills fear into opposing defenses. until I see schemes that are well designed making these receiving options open and the WR is just not performing- I don't believe he deserves a new toy.

agree. Play design put Marv at a disadvantage. It was painfully obvious later in the season when they finally started running Marv on some crossing routes. He did quite well.
with pre snap motion to help get him favorable coverage and a full route tree we should see a significant difference in the #18 on the field.

 

[BirdGangThing]

petzing drew up some nice plays yesterday - also some way too safe for public consumption plays - the adjustments made at halftime didn't help - he actually got away from what worked in the first half - he runs the ball on 3rd and long giving us no real chance at a first down and it drives us nuts but do we really want to see kyler facing that pressure trying to make something happen behind this line? that's when the cookie crumbles

i digress - let's do it - playcall/scheme grades

drew petzing vs saints [ B- ]

drew shows promise in establishing and sticking to the run game in class but lacks confidence in high pressure high reward situations although he is becoming more creative in route designs

one special note - on the play action blind side sack - petzing called the same exact play on the next drive wanting to get it right - it was only good for like 7 or 8 yards but that was pretty interesting

 

[kerouac9]

Most coaches run a screen/draw in third-and-forever situations. The trick is not finding yourself in those positions.

 

[602 Native]

Just like last year when a team stops this run game they stop our offense.

 

[slanidrac16]

Just like last year when a team stops this run game they stop our offense.

Agree. Kyler’s can’t carry this offense on his arm. If he didn’t have his running ability we’d be dead.

 

[602 Native]

Agree. Kyler’s can’t carry this offense on his arm. If he didn’t have his running ability we’d be dead.

Typical K1 hater response. Turns every thread into K1 sucks thread.

No, the offense doesn't have great passing schemes and zero speed on this team at the wr position.

We have been built to play only one way.

 

[BigRedArk]

I loved the shovel pass to Connor for the TD!

 

[oaken1]

I loved the shovel pass to Connor for the TD!

same...it was very well executed as well

 

[football karma]

We have been built to play only one way.

i believe this is an exaggeration, but has truth to it

For all of Petzing's run game innovation, he doesnt excel at passing game concepts.

and to my favorite dead horse to beat: at some point, Zay Jones and/or Mike Wilson need to make teams pay for rolling coverage in MHJ and Trey's direction

 

[BACH]

Will post my offense and O-Line analysis later, But after re-Watching I believe this is more on Kyler than Petzing.

Saints pressured and took away Kyler’s first read but left the 2nd read wide open. Kyler missed it. Reiman was left completely alone on a couple of plays