Any fear of a 2021 1st round repeat?

[Krangodnzr]

How many of these WR’s are true 1st round value? Maybe only a handful:
Drake London, 6’4, 218
I see boom or bust. Definitely not fast, but uses his body well. Good with the back shoulder passes, but may struggle with press coverage. I don’t like his fit in our offense.

It's rare to find a guy that size that can play. Most of them are stiffs. I'm a huge Drake London fan, but we have no shot at him.

Chris Olave, 6’0, 188
Emmanual Sanders type. He’s ready to play on day 1, but probably a 2WR. Doesn‘t have blazing speed, but is a great route runner. Doesn’t have great ball skills, is slender and plays slender, but probably will not bust. He’s an INCH taller than Dotson. He would give us immediate results, but he’s more of a slot guy, not a perimeter guy.

I really like Olave and I would sprint to the podium to draft him. Great technician. Effortless. I see him as a 1,000 yard guy nearly every season.

Jameson Williams, 6’ 1.5”, 183
scheme fit - vertical, long strider. DeSean Jackson comp. Coming off ACL injury, so won’t be available right away. Speed guy coming off a major knee injury. Not what the Cardinals need at this stage in the game.

More risky than Olave. I'm always weary of lower body injuries.

Garrett Wilson, 6’0, 185
Another guy that is only an inch taller than Dotson. He‘s a Stefon Diggs type, but will be long gone by the time we draft. He plays bigger than his frame & fits any scheme. Probably the 1st WR taken.

I'm much more familiar with Olave but scouts all say Wilson could be a legit #1. We have no shot at him.

Treylon Burks, 6’2, 225
If we’re going to try to trade up, this is the guy we pursue. Especially if we want a perimeter guy. Not a 40 guy, but has GAME speed. Great shiftiness, very powerful, and strong hands. He’s an AJ Brown, Deebo Samuel type. Not the smoothest of route runners.

I'd consider Burks as well, but he has some holes in his game.

Johan Dotson, 5’11, 175
Great wiggle, natural separation skills, great hands & great ball skills. Lockett type receiver. Not blazing speed, but good speed. Can play on the outside, but not afraid of the middle either. He’s an ideal 2WR. Even though he’s slight, he’s been very durable.

I wouldn’t use a 1st round pick on any of the other WR’s that get mentioned (Watson, Metchie, Moore, Pickens). Unless, we trade up, the only WR that I think will be there is possibly Dotson, my preference is Burks, but I would take Dotson over London, even though London is big. I like a couple of the DT’s in that range where we pick, but I think the real DL difference makers will be gone. Same applies to the Corners. Hopefully, the Cardinals select the best available from the following positions: DL, OL, WR, CB.

I'm not a huge fan of any of the true DL where we draft. Most will either be gone, are too one dimensional, or are poor values at #23. From running the mock simulators, I doubt any of the better OL will be available after our pick, and the fall off is pretty strong. I feel the same way about the WR class as well.

So I think the Cardinals need to look either at OL or WR with their pick. Murray is the centerpiece of the team and Murray needs a bit more help.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Antonio Brown - 5-10, 185lb​

Tyreek Hill - 5-10, 185lb

Stefon Diggs - 6-0, 191lb​

Odell Beckham Jr. - 5-11, 198lb​

Hunter Renfrow - 5-10, 185lb​

Tyler Lockett - 5-10, 182lb​

Jahan Dotson - 5' 11", 184 lbs


Somehow I could easily live with Dotson at #23. I imagine they could add 5-10 pounds onto Dotson without hampering his speed or elusiveness.

I think the 6'2 and up guys bust more than the 5'10-6'0 guys. At the end of the day, WRs need to be able to move and cut quickly and the bigger guys rarely cut as well.

 

[JeffGollin]

If there’s a run on OLs’ Larger WRs, CB’s or pass rushers, someone is going to fall to us at #23.

This may be a draft where BPA may be our best course of action.

 

[Krangodnzr]

If there’s a run on OLs’ Larger WRs, CB’s or pass rushers, someone is going to fall to us at #23.

This may be a draft where BPA may be our best course of action.

BPA at a position of need.

Don't take a QB or a dang safety lol.

 

[SoonerLou]

Right there with you, PA. He's nails, but the wrong kind of receiver for us. The speed and hands ARE what we need, but we also need a tall, outside guy that can compete for the jump balls, too. That's not his game. Plus, we already have Rondale Moore. While I think he's WORLDS better than RM, it doesn't change our roster composition atm.

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[Jetstream Green]

I think adding another IOL could take this group up to another level.

But the problem is we already kind of know how the OL will work out...the Cardinals are currently down two WRs. That's a pretty big need.

Yup

 

[Jetstream Green]

If there’s a run on OLs’ Larger WRs, CB’s or pass rushers, someone is going to fall to us at #23.

This may be a draft where BPA may be our best course of action.

Well it should always be, so I am hoping before the draft Keim fills the roster with some respectable bodies so we are not sooooooo desperate at positions and then be able to do what's right with talent because the draft comes to you at your pick and not vice versa

 

[SoonerLou]

Well it should always be, so I am hoping before the draft Keim fills the roster with some respectable bodies so we are not sooooooo desperate at positions and then be able to do what's right with talent because the draft comes to you at your pick and not vice versa

In all seriousness, I hope this Wilks drama doesn't impact his draft process. Never know what kinda pick he's going to make but I hope he has a clear mind.

 

[juza76]

In all seriousness, I hope this Wilks drama doesn't impact his draft process. Never know what kinda pick he's going to make but I hope he has a clear mind.

Could be the issue having him with a clear mind?

 

[DVontel]

Christian Watson can be the guy
Tall
Fast
Great Route runner

He has really bad hands & taking a FCS player in the 1st round is a risk this organization can’t take.

 

[juza76]

He has really bad hands & taking a FCS player in the 1st round is a risk this organization can’t take.

Yes but he started to climb draft boards after being tasted at senior bowl with better college players
I saw some drills and he impressed many with his cuts and quickness
Then he put great numbers at combine

 

[DVontel]

Yes but he started to climb draft boards after being tasted at senior bowl with better college players
I saw some drills and he impressed many with his cuts and quickness
Then he put great numbers at combine

WRs will always have the massive advantage in those drills against CBs, lol. You should never take a lot out of them from the WR’s perspective.

He’s also far from a great route-runner. He’s not bad, but he’s unpolished in that area.

 

[juza76]

WRs will always have the massive advantage in those drills against CBs, lol. You should never take a lot out of them from the WR’s perspective.

He’s also far from a great route-runner. He’s not bad, but he’s unpolished in that area.

Can he slide to our second pick?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Antonio Brown - 5-10, 185lb​

Tyreek Hill - 5-10, 185lb

Stefon Diggs - 6-0, 191lb​

Odell Beckham Jr. - 5-11, 198lb​

Hunter Renfrow - 5-10, 185lb​

Tyler Lockett - 5-10, 182lb​

Jahan Dotson - 5' 11", 184 lbs


Somehow I could easily live with Dotson at #23. I imagine they could add 5-10 pounds onto Dotson without hampering his speed or elusiveness.

Only Beckham was taken in round 1 though. I don't think any of them even went in round 2 either.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Only Beckham was taken in round 1 though. I don't think any of them even went in round 2 either.

Part of it is the NFLs bias against smaller players. Some positions size doesn't matter as much. I care about the height of linemen, but not as much for receivers.

 

[Mainstreet]

BPA at a position of need.

Don't take a QB or a dang safety lol.

How about another linebacker.

 

[Jetstream Green]

How about another linebacker.

Only if it's a ILB

 

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[BritCard]

Why even watch the draft if they are going to take another midget at WR. Not saying Dotson is not good but he does not round off the Cards offense appropriately based on his size. We need a freaking outside WR with length and some of that speed as well. WRs, CBs, it's the same idiocy if that's the selection. A collection of slot WRs, nickel corners which our Cards then move to the outside which lack the physicality for the parameters... this is really bumming me out for the draft because Peter Schrager is not that savvy, he has friends in our front office which is how you get this right again and again which I hope then I am wrong and he's another Roy Green

Not specifically aimed at you but I've seen a few "short comments" in this thread including a Rondale mention.

He's 5'11". That's the same size as OBJ. Taller than Brandin Cooks. Taller than Lockett. Same as James Washington. Same as Deebo. Taller than Diontae Johnson. Taller than Hollywood Brown.

He's only an inch shorter than Olave but jumped 6" higher in the VJ.

I'd always rather have a 6'3" guy if they have the same talent level but if Dotson is good enough then his height is enough.

I haven't watched a lot of him, I watched some off the back of this news and he looks like a very good player. As much chance of succeeding as Olave or any of the others.

 

[kerouac9]

Not specifically aimed at you but I've seen a few "short comments" in this thread including a Rondale mention.

He's 5'11". That's the same size as OBJ. Taller than Brandin Cooks. Taller than Lockett. Same as James Washington. Same as Deebo. Taller than Diontae Johnson. Taller than Hollywood Brown.

He's only an inch shorter than Olave but jumped 6" higher in the VJ.

I'd always rather have a 6'3" guy if they have the same talent level but if Dotson is good enough then his height is enough.

I haven't watched a lot of him, I watched some off the back of this news and he looks like a very good player. As much chance of succeeding as Olave or any of the others.

Lol. Total miss.

Rondale Moore - MockDraftable

5’9”

 

[BritCard]

I really like Olave and I would sprint to the podium to draft him. Great technician. Effortless. I see him as a 1,000 yard guy nearly every season.

Why? He never passed 1000 in college despite being a 3 year starter.

I just don't get it with Olave. I think he's massively overrated.

How many top NFL receivers started for 3 years but never topped 1k?

How many great WR's were WR1 as a sophomore but WR3 as a senior?

 

[BritCard]

Lol. Total miss.

Rondale Moore - MockDraftable

5’9”

Rondale is 5'7" as mockdraftable says. Not sure what that has to do with what I wrote?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

He has really bad hands & taking a FCS player in the 1st round is a risk this organization can’t take.

How is a small school guy with bad hands even being talked about as anything other than a 5th-7th round selection? White, good sized receiver doesn’t automatically equal cooper kupp.

 

[PACardsFan]

Why? He never passed 1000 in college despite being a 3 year starter.

I just don't get it with Olave. I think he's massively overrated.

How many top NFL receivers started for 3 years but never topped 1k?

How many great WR's were WR1 as a sophomore but WR3 as a senior?

Agree. Olave is NFL ready, and has a low bust potential, but he‘s a WR2 at best. I also think he’s a slot WR, which ideally, is not what we so desperately need. I don’t think Olave is there at 23.

 

[Krangodnzr]

How is a small guy with bad hands even being talked about as anything other than a 5th-7th round selection? White, good sized receiver doesn’t automatically equal cooper kupp.

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6'4 is small?