Another so called expert.

[Chaz]

According to this guy Arizona is the best of the worst in FA.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=freeagencyreportcardteam&prov=tsn&type=lgns


Since when do the Cards need more youth?

 

[Dback Jon]

Originally posted by SirChaz
According to this guy Arizona is the best of the worst in FA.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=freeagencyreportcardteam&prov=tsn&type=lgns


Since when do the Cards need more youth?

Stupid article, with no insight.
The Cards do not need more youth - maybe he was confusing the Cards with the Dbacks.

The Cards have done well in FA - only missing a WR.
And the Cards still have a lot of money left to spend.

 

[kerouac9]

Re: Re: Another so called expert.

Originally posted by Dback Jon
The Cards have done well in FA - only missing a WR.
And the Cards still have a lot of money left to spend.

I'm sorry, did you forget that we still don't have a pass rush of any quality, which, if I remember, was our #1 priority? What about how we let our most talented, best, and most promising player leave without any compensation? Or what about our kickoff return man, who took less money than stay here?

I like the Cards a lot, but to say that the Cards are a better team now than they were at the end of the season reeks of homerism. We might be the same quality of team, but we're probably worse, especially considering the loss of Boston.

 

[WizardOfAz]

Seems like everybody is on this guy:


http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=7971

 

[Krangodnzr]

Re: Re: Re: Another so called expert.

Originally posted by kerouac9
I'm sorry, did you forget that we still don't have a pass rush of any quality, which, if I remember, was our #1 priority? What about how we let our most talented, best, and most promising player leave without any compensation? Or what about our kickoff return man, who took less money than stay here?

I like the Cards a lot, but to say that the Cards are a better team now than they were at the end of the season reeks of homerism. We might be the same quality of team, but we're probably worse, especially considering the loss of Boston.

How much did Boston contribute last year? NOTHING!

 

[WizardOfAz]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Another so called expert.

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
How much did Boston contribute last year? NOTHING!

Didn't he lead the team in dropped passes!!

 

[SECTION 11]

I think losing Boston was more than made up for by losing Plummer.

 

[kerouac9]

Look, despite what happened last year, David Boston was four things to the Arizona Cardinals, and anyone that disputes these facts are revisionists who are on Graves's jock:

1. Best player overall.
2. Most talented player on the Cardinals roster
3. Player with the most potential to become even better.
4. The player with the most name recognition (the "franchise player")

I would also put in some arguable points like being the most popular player among the young black players (not KVB, not Wakefield), but I don't want to get shouted down by people who think that no one liked DB and that he was a lockerroom cancer.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by kerouac9
1. Best player overall.
2. Most talented player on the Cardinals roster
3. Player with the most potential to become even better.
4. The player with the most name recognition (the "franchise player")

No argument here.
Losing him sucked.

I don't blame him for wanting to play on San Diego's offense. They're gonna be tough.

 

[SECTION 11]

My point was if the only two choices were;

1) Keeping both Plummer and Boston
2) Losing both Plummer and Boston

I'd take number two.

 

[WizardOfAz]

Addition by subtraction?

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by WizardOfAz
Addition by subtraction?

 

[Chaz]

Losing Boston with nothing in return sucked.
In reality he has had one good season so far. If he returns to that form he will be a monster in SD and possibly complete that offense.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by SirChaz
Losing Boston with nothing in return sucked.
In reality he has had one good season so far. If he returns to that form he will be a monster in SD and possibly complete that offense.

In reality a 2nd year WR thrust into becoming the team's number one option and producing 1156 yards and 7 tds is a pretty damn good season. Just because you choose to ignore Boston's second season, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
My point was if the only two choices were;

1) Keeping both Plummer and Boston
2) Losing both Plummer and Boston

I'd take number two.

What about... 3) Keeping both Plummer and Boston and Blake

It's not an either/or issue. With the contract that Jake would have gotten from us, we probably could still have gotten Blake and had a QB depth chart of

1. Blake
2. Plummer
3. McCown.

No way does losing Jake offset losing your best player. Hell, we could have lost a player with a $20 mil/yr contract, and it wouldn't have offset losing Boston.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by kerouac9

I would also put in some arguable points like being the most popular player among the young black players (not KVB, not Wakefield), but I don't want to get shouted down by people who think that no one liked DB and that he was a lockerroom cancer.

That is utter bull ****. How can a player be popular with other players, when he only talks to one guy (TJ)?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by kerouac9
What about... 3) Keeping both Plummer and Boston and Blake

It's not an either/or issue. With the contract that Jake would have gotten from us, we probably could still have gotten Blake and had a QB depth chart of

1. Blake
2. Plummer
3. McCown.

No way does losing Jake offset losing your best player. Hell, we could have lost a player with a $20 mil/yr contract, and it wouldn't have offset losing Boston.

Ugh....No to Plummer pleazzz. At least we dumped our number one biggest offensive problem for the past six years...

 

[Dback Jon]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Ugh....No to Plummer pleazzz. At least we dumped our number one biggest offensive problem for the past six years...

Including his $9 million a year cost.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Dback Jon
Including his $9 million a year cost.

The 4 players that we signed (Blake, Hodgins, Jackson, and Darling) combined to cost as much as Plummer....it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that we came out on top!

 

[Dback Jon]

Re: Re: Re: Another so called expert.

Originally posted by kerouac9
I'm sorry, did you forget that we still don't have a pass rush of any quality, which, if I remember, was our #1 priority? What about how we let our most talented, best, and most promising player leave without any compensation? Or what about our kickoff return man, who took less money than stay here?

I like the Cards a lot, but to say that the Cards are a better team now than they were at the end of the season reeks of homerism. We might be the same quality of team, but we're probably worse, especially considering the loss of Boston.

We still have the draft, June 1 cuts, and money to spend.

Boston didn't contribute anything last year (or much) so what did we REALLY lose from last year? A bunch of fumbled snaps and interceptions thrown.

 

[Cheesebeef]

My biggest thing is this with this team so far this offseason - Have we made moves that make us demonstarbly better than we were last year - and looking at our moves SO FAR and who we have lost - the only answer I can give is NO! The addition of Blake is completely negated by the fact that we have zero expericne at WR - has that position been addressed yet? No, in fact it doesn't even seem to be on the radar screen for us. Next, our other big signing was Dexter Jackson - a good signing mind you, but equally as worthless because our d-line is till the same pathetic (albeit hardworking, but pathetic) front that they were last year. Without a d-line, you could Aeneas and Deion in their primes back there and it wouldn't matter. As far as Smith, here is an aging former superstar who is only going to take time away from one of our only promising young playmakers. How many RBs have you seen that needed mentoring? Most RBs explode at some point and I am very scared that Shipp's growth is going to be stunted.
Now free agency isn't over and the draft is ahead, but looking at our histoyr in the draft, nothing assures me that we are going to get someone who will make an impact right away, even at 6 and if we are waiting for June 1st cuts to go after receivers, what happens if those guys (Robinson - huge ealth concerns and Muhammad (huge health concerns) aren't even cut? This team still has a ways to go and so far with all the money we had and have, this entire free agency class still lacks the BIG IMPACT players this team sorely needs at key positions. But we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Another so called expert.

Originally posted by Dback Jon
We still have the draft, June 1 cuts, and money to spend.

Boston didn't contribute anything last year (or much) so what did we REALLY lose from last year? A bunch of fumbled snaps and interceptions thrown.

Couldn't have said better myself!

I feel very strongly now (I used to disagree with Skkorp seriously last year) that the coaching staff & Front office viewed Boston as a cancer that needed to be monitored very closely.

From what anyone who went to Flagstaff said last camp, Boston pouted and didn't want to be here. Guys like that you can only do one thing: Kick their ass right out the door!

 

[Chaz]

I disagree the Cards needed a BIG IMPACT FA. many times those players are BIG BUSTS. There have been a number of big time FA that were never able to duplicate the success they had with their former team. So far I like the measured approach. Lets not panic and act like we have to sign someone who will impress the national media.

This team still has holes to be filled but a team with as many problems as this one has had over the years will not be fixed overnight.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by SirChaz


This team still has holes to be filled but a team with as many problems as this one has had over the years will not be fixed overnight.

Very good point, and one that I think many on this board need to figure out.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Very good point, and one that I think many on this board need to figure out.

Yes, but how do you fix those problems when you let your marquee players and those that you developed leave year after year?