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Same with Michael Jordan.If Steve Nash had played his whole career here, he would lead the Suns scoring.
If Steve Nash had played his whole career here, he would lead the Suns scoring.
I don't think he would but he would be high on that list. Think of all of the extra points he would have helped Marion, Stoudemire, and others get if their whole Suns tenure was with Nash. I think his effect on their scoring would outweigh his own own scoring contributions so we'd see him in the top 5 but not at the top. He'd probably be much higher in the all time assist category as well.
Same with Michael Jordan.
He need 2,215 to pass Dan Majerle for #10 on all-time scoring list
And Steve Nash didn’t play his entire career for the suns. Pretty sure if Barkley played his entire career for the suns he would’ve lead them in scoring. Or if stat did and never got hurt. Or if, or if . . . I added Michael Jordan bc there can always be an “if” that falls outside of reality - why draw the line at when a player was traded and was later resigned? Just seems like a weird comment. Of course if a player plays more games with a specific team he has a greater likelihood of being the team leader in scoring. I guess I just don’t see the point in the “what if” exercise. Not attacking you, just seemed odd to me.Michael Jordon didn't play for the Suns so I'm missing the point.
And Steve Nash didn’t play his entire career for the suns. Pretty sure if Barkley played his entire career for the suns he would’ve lead them in scoring. Or if stat did and never got hurt. Or if, or if . . . I added Michael Jordan bc there can always be an “if” that falls outside of reality - why draw the line at when a player was traded and was later resigned? Just seems like a weird comment. Of course if a player plays more games with a specific team he has a greater likelihood of being the team leader in scoring. I guess I just don’t see the point in the “what if” exercise. Not attacking you, just seemed odd to me.
“Could have” is a fantasyland undertaking. I played it to the hilt to illustrate how silly it is to me.The Michael Jordon comment seemed more off the wall to me. The same with Barkley.
The Suns drafted Nash so it was not a reach to think what he could have accomplished if he had remained a lifetime Sun like Alvin Adams.
You have a weird way of looking at things.Lifetime scoring leader for a team seems to be a relative meaningless stat, in most cases, in today's NBA.
There are so many other factors involved. Stockton & Malone for Utah seems to be the most notable
exception of their time. A small market team never strong enough to be a championship contender,
going for stats more than anything to draw the crowd.
As far as Alvan Adams and his numbers with the Suns, it reflects that no other team wanted to sign
or trade for a 212 lb. Center. And that his best year was his rookie year. His stats went downhill from
there. Most of his lifetime Suns points were from Shooting Guard range.
His longevity actually hurt the Suns, because he tied up the Center position for a decade playing like
a Guard. Our Power Forwards had to cover and go up against traditional NBA Centers.
“Could have” is a fantasyland undertaking. I played it to the hilt to illustrate how silly it is to me.
Technically we drafted rondo too. Should we wonder if he’d be our assist leader if he played his entire career with the suns? How many seasons or games is not silly to play the “could have” game?
Again I know this comes off as being snarky, I’m not. I just find it silly to arbitrarily wonder about this player but not that. Particularly when talking about all time anything’s. I mean the only way a player typically has a shot as an all time anything is to play either a full career with a team or for a team to have a history of short term or awful players.
Err, I'm not sure you remember Utah like the were.Lifetime scoring leader for a team seems to be a relative meaningless stat, in most cases, in today's NBA.
There are so many other factors involved. Stockton & Malone for Utah seems to be the most notable
exception of their time. A small market team never strong enough to be a championship contender,
going for stats more than anything to draw the crowd.
As far as Alvan Adams and his numbers with the Suns, it reflects that no other team wanted to sign
or trade for a 212 lb. Center. And that his best year was his rookie year. His stats went downhill from
there. Most of his lifetime Suns points were from Shooting Guard range.
His longevity actually hurt the Suns, because he tied up the Center position for a decade playing like
a Guard. Our Power Forwards had to cover and go up against traditional NBA Centers.
Err, I'm not sure you remember Utah like the were.
That's why I appreciate you guys correcting me. I'm not kidding! My point was primarily about Adams.Trust me, some of us feel the same way about his memories regarding the 70's and 80's era Suns.
That's why I appreciate you guys correcting me. I'm not kidding! My point was primarily about Adams.
It is what it is. When you hit my age, you'll understand why. Humor me!
Are you forgetting that Alvan Adams was the undersized Center whom John MacLeod coached at OklahomaYeah, but I think you really do Adams an injustice with your comments. First off, do you really think he's the reason we couldn't find a good big man? We tried every season and no matter who we drafted or traded for, AA outplayed every other option. He was not the reason we lost, although his absence doomed us a few times.
Are you forgetting that Alvan Adams was the undersized Center whom John MacLeod coached at Oklahoma
and was certainly instrumental in the Suns drafting him.
And keeping him at Center for a decade, despite the rest of the league catching up with one who played it
like a Shooting Guard.
Jerry didn't get past the expansion team mentality for decades and placated MacLeod. Down the stretch
and in the post-season, when the refs swallowed their whistles, Adams gave up 30+ pounds regularly.
Couldn't find a big man? That is not a compliment to the Suns leadership. Finesse, finesse, finesse, by design.
And it haunted the Suns long past them being an expansion team. I, as a fan, found it frustrating year after
year, decade after decade. I am not ashamed of my feelings.
For the record, Alvan's best year in just about every stat was his rookie year, when he was a novelty. The "undersized banging" he took defending in the post hurtI do think all the undersized banging took an early toll on Alvan but he had probably 5 very good years before he began his slow but steady decline.