2025 Arizona Cardinals off season thread.

[BritCard]

If the interior OL can just be average in pass pro, Marvelous could really break out this season. Could become an unholy terror for opposing defenses.

PJ will protect K1's blind side fine. And my boy can deke any free runners coming from the edge on the right.

But Murray can't handle it when the middle the pocket collapses too quickly like it did against SEA this past year.

I'm dubious. Not because of Marv, but because of Kyler.

In 6 seasons in the league Kyler only has 1 WR with over 1000 yards and that was Hopkins in 2020. That's pretty bad. Hopkins is a very different style of receiver and there was a lot of "F it, Hopkins down there somewhere" in those yards. I imagine if I had the time to check that would be the worst of all QB's that have played the last 6 years.

The next highest yards from an outside receiver was actually Marv's rookie season with 885. He had 982 to Kirk in 2021 but that was predominantly slot.

I think Marv will pass 1000 purely due to volume and him being a top 5 draft pick, so there is pressure there to feed him the ball, but I think he's going to get 20-30% less yards than he would on most other teams because of Kyler limitations throwing outside and his lack of patience and vision for longer developing routes.

 

[PDXChris]

I'm dubious. Not because of Marv, but because of Kyler.

In 6 seasons in the league Kyler only has 1 WR with over 1000 yards and that was Hopkins in 2020. That's pretty bad. Hopkins is a very different style of receiver and there was a lot of "F it, Hopkins down there somewhere" in those yards. I imagine if I had the time to check that would be the worst of all QB's that have played the last 6 years.

The next highest yards from an outside receiver was actually Marv's rookie season with 885. He had 982 to Kirk in 2021 but that was predominantly slot.

I think Marv will pass 1000 purely due to volume and him being a top 5 draft pick, so there is pressure there to feed him the ball, but I think he's going to get 20-30% less yards than he would on most other teams because of Kyler limitations throwing outside and his lack of patience and vision for longer developing routes.

This is cherry picking stats due to games plays by the #1 and Kyler for some seasons, but I have a great comparison!

2019 Fitz 804 yards
2020 Hopkins 1407 yards
2021 Kirk 982 yards, Green 848 yards while Hopkins missed half the season
2022 Hopkins 717 yards in 9 game, Brown 709 in 12 games
2023 Just bad, Kyler only played 8 games and McBride had 70% of his yardage in those 8 games
2024 McBride 1146 Yards, Harrison 885 yards

McBride is our #1 Receiver

Lets compare to the Chiefs who top two play all or all but 1 game in each season.

2019 Kelce 1229 yards, Hill 860 yards
2020 Kelce 1416 yards, Hill 1276 yards
2021 Hill 1239 yards, Kelce 1125 yards
2022 Kelce 1338 yards, Smith-Schuster 933 yards
2023 Kelce 984 yards, Rice 938 yards
2024 Kelce 823 yards, Worthy 638 yards

I guess 1000 yard #1 WR does not equal a SB!

 

[DVontel]

I imagine if I had the time to check that would be the worst of all QB's that have played the last 6 years.

He played with Will Levis.

 

[kerouac9]

He played with Will Levis.

Calvin Ridley had over 1000 yards last year.
DHop had over 1000 yards the year before

That doesn’t change that this is a fake metric/measure of anything.

 

[ajcardfan]

It's by design that our offense will have less passing yards. Our best offensive stat last year was Rushing YPC which was 5.3. That was number two in the NFL last year. The Ravens averaged 5.8 YPC.

What we need is more big plays in the passing game. Not more attempts. Maybe now MHJ will break a tackle or two and house it where last year he would have gone down.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

A buddy of mine asked me today if I thought the Cardinals would be good this year.
I emphatically said yes. Said they’d win their division.

Also said, for some unknown reason, other than a gut feeling that Kyler was going to have a very good year.

Hope I’m right.

 

[SECTION 11]

One thing I know for sure is that I don’t care about Joey Chestnut. Eating contests are stupid.

 

[Stout]

A buddy of mine asked me today if I thought the Cardinals would be good this year.
I emphatically said yes. Said they’d win their division.

Also said, for some unknown reason, other than a gut feeling that Kyler was going to have a very good year.

Hope I’m right.

I'll have what you're having!

 

[BirdGangThing]

One thing I know for sure is that I don’t care about Joey Chestnut. Eating contests are stupid.

so stupid - i entered one once - it ruined hot dogs for me for a good 2 or 3 years before i could even think about one - and it was only 5 full size jumbo all beef ball parks - not 50

 

[Ronin]

Arizona Cardinals Impressed With Late-Round Rookie

The Arizona Cardinals could see this Day 3 pick start.

www.si.com

 

[Ronin]

Cardinals rookie LB setting up to be Kyzir White replacement

GLENDALE – Despite the highly-praised offseason for the Arizona Cardinals, not re-signing Kyzir White after a career year has fans and analysts concerned how they’re going to replace that production.

www.yardbarker.com

 

[DVontel]

I don’t think we’ll win the division, but I think we come in 2nd behind LA.

People talk about SF’s easy schedule, but that OL is a massive weak spot even with a healthy Trent.

 

[Garthshort]

I'm dubious. Not because of Marv, but because of Kyler.

In 6 seasons in the league Kyler only has 1 WR with over 1000 yards and that was Hopkins in 2020. That's pretty bad. Hopkins is a very different style of receiver and there was a lot of "F it, Hopkins down there somewhere" in those yards. I imagine if I had the time to check that would be the worst of all QB's that have played the last 6 years.

The next highest yards from an outside receiver was actually Marv's rookie season with 885. He had 982 to Kirk in 2021 but that was predominantly slot.

I think Marv will pass 1000 purely due to volume and him being a top 5 draft pick, so there is pressure there to feed him the ball, but I think he's going to get 20-30% less yards than he would on most other teams because of Kyler limitations throwing outside and his lack of patience and vision for longer developing routes.

Trey and a good running game might also limit Marv's yards. While I have no stats to back this up, it seems that the Ravens, over the years, with a good TE and a running QB probably (guessing) didn't have many WR's with a lot of yards.

 

[CardNots]

Arizona Cardinals Impressed With Late-Round Rookie

The Arizona Cardinals could see this Day 3 pick start.

www.si.com

He is playing on fourth down right now

Need a tad bit more to meet impressed status.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

It's by design that our offense will have less passing yards. Our best offensive stat last year was Rushing YPC which was 5.3. That was number two in the NFL last year. The Ravens averaged 5.8 YPC.

What we need is more big plays in the passing game. Not more attempts. Maybe now MHJ will break a tackle or two and house it where last year he would have gone down.

Exactly correct!

MHJ had 62 catches on 116 targets last season (53% catch rate).

For comparison McBride had 111 catches on 147 targets (76% catch rate).

Wow!

Some of that disparity is on K1, but probably not that much because the guy playing right next to Harrison has a 76% catch rate.

Some of the disparity is on DP.

But the bottom line is the MHJ needs to do more (a lot more) with the targets he's being given.

 

[BACH]

Cardinals rookie LB setting up to be Kyzir White replacement

GLENDALE – Despite the highly-praised offseason for the Arizona Cardinals, not re-signing Kyzir White after a career year has fans and analysts concerned how they’re going to replace that production.

www.yardbarker.com

Good fantasy stats doesn’t always mean quality player.

Love what White brought to the team, but easily replaceable in terms of skillset IMO.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Good fantasy stats doesn’t always mean quality player.

Love what White brought to the team, but easily replaceable in terms of skillset IMO.

Yes, but we need some hopium this time of year before our bubble gets burst, again

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[kerouac9]

I don’t think we’ll win the division, but I think we come in 2nd behind LA.

People talk about SF’s easy schedule, but that OL is a massive weak spot even with a healthy Trent.

Yeah I feel the same way, but how do you make sense of what seems like a crazy Vegas line? We all feel like Football Knowers, but we don’t have skin in the game.

I guess doubt Kyle Shanahan and that infrastructure at your peril?

Exactly correct!

MHJ had 62 catches on 116 targets last season (53% catch rate).

For comparison McBride had 111 catches on 147 targets (76% catch rate).

Wow!

Some of that disparity is on K1, but probably not that much because the guy playing right next to Harrison has a 76% catch rate.

Some of the disparity is on DP.

But the bottom line is the MHJ needs to do more (a lot more) with the targets he's being given.

It sure seemed like there’s a lot of discourse and evidence that MHJ was running lower-percentage routes than McBride.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Exactly correct!

MHJ had 62 catches on 116 targets last season (53% catch rate).

For comparison McBride had 111 catches on 147 targets (76% catch rate).

Wow!

Some of that disparity is on K1, but probably not that much because the guy playing right next to Harrison has a 76% catch rate.

Some of the disparity is on DP.

But the bottom line is the MHJ needs to do more (a lot more) with the targets he's being given.

Yeah I think it's more a function of higher percentage routes run by McBride and Murray/MHJ just not being on the same page at all.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

It sure seemed like there’s a lot of discourse and evidence that MHJ was running lower-percentage routes than McBride.

Obviously.

But that does not account for the entire 23% catch rate disparity.

Do you remember MHJs first target of his pro career kerouac9? Against BUF? Anecdotal, I know, but still relevant.

 

[kerouac9]

Obviously.

But that does not account for the entire 23% catch rate disparity.

Do you remember MHJs first target of his pro career kerouac9? Against BUF? Anecdotal, I know, but still relevant.

A single data point in 116 that’s all.

No one is denying MHJ needs to be better in his second season, but so do Kyler Murray in getting on the same page with him and Drew Petzing on building in more efficient routes.

 

[Harry]

A buddy of mine asked me today if I thought the Cardinals would be good this year.
I emphatically said yes. Said they’d win their division.

Also said, for some unknown reason, other than a gut feeling that Kyler was going to have a very good year.

Hope I’m right.

I think the Cards have a reasonable chance to win the division. The Cards seem to be of the opinion the both Harrison and Wilson will move forward. They’re projecting 1000+ yards for Harrison and 800+ for Wilson. If they get that production there’s a chance Murray gets 4000+. If their offense produces at this level, the defense should take them to the promised land.

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm dubious. Not because of Marv, but because of Kyler.

In 6 seasons in the league Kyler only has 1 WR with over 1000 yards and that was Hopkins in 2020. That's pretty bad. Hopkins is a very different style of receiver and there was a lot of "F it, Hopkins down there somewhere" in those yards. I imagine if I had the time to check that would be the worst of all QB's that have played the last 6 years.

The next highest yards from an outside receiver was actually Marv's rookie season with 885. He had 982 to Kirk in 2021 but that was predominantly slot.

I think Marv will pass 1000 purely due to volume and him being a top 5 draft pick, so there is pressure there to feed him the ball, but I think he's going to get 20-30% less yards than he would on most other teams because of Kyler limitations throwing outside and his lack of patience and vision for longer developing routes.

Definitely true but realize several of those years we would have had a 1000 yard receiver but he got hurt. Seems like every year Kirk, or Hollywood got hurt and missed several games.

 

[kerouac9]

The Cards seem to be of the opinion the both Harrison and Wilson will move forward. They’re projecting 1000+ yards for Harrison and 800+ for Wilson.

That seems unlikely in a run-first offense with Trey McBride demanding at least 100 targets but I guess we’ll see

 

[BritCard]

He played with Will Levis.

i was referring to QB's, not Hopkins.