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For comparison's sake, here's Kirk's routes run on targets last season. I think this is how you'd more effectively want to use Brown.
Bonus: LOL Rondale
Bonus: LOL Rondale
I normally don't go for coach speak but I really hope Kliff isn't lying here regarding Moore...For comparison's sake, here's Kirk's routes run on targets last season. I think this is how you'd more effectively want to use Brown.
Bonus: LOL Rondale
I don't think he's lying, but (IMO) Moore has to be better than Hollywood Brown in the slot to take that job. Maybe that happens in two years if and when DHop is out and Brown is the #1 guy always on the outside. But I fully expect our 3WR set to be Wesley-Brown-Green until DHop comes back and then Hop-Brown-Green.I normally don't go for coach speak but I really hope Kliff isn't lying here regarding Moore...
“He feels like he can step into Christian’s role and play at a really high level inside there and we do too,” Kingsbury said. “I just think the confidence is high right now and he knows he’s got a big opportunity coming up.
“We utilized him in different ways than we will this year,” Kingsbury added, “We kind of got it to him in space and did some things and used him on some checkdowns but he’s a dynamic route-runner and I think that’s what people are going to see. He’s really good getting out of his cuts, good at the tougher routes and so I think people are going to see a different side of him.
-Kliff Kingsbury, via Arizona Sports 98.7FM
Green will still be on the outside... unless I'm missing something...I don't think he's lying, but (IMO) Moore has to be better than Hollywood Brown in the slot to take that job. Maybe that happens in two years if and when DHop is out and Brown is the #1 guy always on the outside. But I fully expect our 3WR set to be Wesley-Brown-Green until DHop comes back and then Hop-Brown-Green.
If Moore is in the slot it's a clear key that there's a smoke screen coming. Maybe McBride doesn't show much in camp and we run a lot of 4 WR sets in passing situations to start the season. But the angles just aren't there for little wideouts down the field.
EDIT: One thing I love about Kliff is that he's always positive about these guys during the offseason, and he puts it on himself when they don't get involved and don't get opportunities. He never says "Zaven sucked all week and we couldn't put him out there in good conscience." He says "we have to find better opportunities to get him on the field."
It's all fun and games until you're faced with 3rd and seven and you're trying to get it to two 5'6" wideouts on the outside.
So having a plethora of skill players with overlapping skill sets such that it's hard to get them all on the field at the same time would be evidence that Keim has no long-term roster plan... But if the Cardinals *didn't* have all these players, when one guy gets suspended or another gets hurt or another moves on at the end of his contract, Keim's an idiot for not having enough depth or any long-term roster plan?In terms of Moore, his usage is dependent on how the Cardinals use Brown and McBride as well as how often they line up in 10 personnel. If Brown just slides into Kirk's role then Moore is limited. And if they decide to use more 12 personnel with McBride, Moore is limited. Both would highlight that Keim has no long-term roster plan.
"Cardinals head coach Kliff Kingsbury said after the trade that he can use Brown everywhere. He envisions Brown mainly stepping into Arizona's 2021 lead receiver Christian Kirk's role after the latter left in free agency."I normally don't go for coach speak but I really hope Kliff isn't lying here regarding Moore...
“He feels like he can step into Christian’s role and play at a really high level inside there and we do too,” Kingsbury said. “I just think the confidence is high right now and he knows he’s got a big opportunity coming up.
“We utilized him in different ways than we will this year,” Kingsbury added, “We kind of got it to him in space and did some things and used him on some checkdowns but he’s a dynamic route-runner and I think that’s what people are going to see. He’s really good getting out of his cuts, good at the tougher routes and so I think people are going to see a different side of him.
-Kliff Kingsbury, via Arizona Sports 98.7FM
Had Kirk, a 2nd round pick. Couldn't flash as a #1 but was a great slot WR.So having a plethora of skill players with overlapping skill sets such that it's hard to get them all on the field at the same time would be evidence that Keim has no long-term roster plan... But if the Cardinals *didn't* have all these players, when one guy gets suspended or another gets hurt or another moves on at the end of his contract, Keim's an idiot for not having enough depth or any long-term roster plan?
...dave
Not sure who you’re referring to. My thought for a positive example would be Steve Smith. He played in the slot some but most played outside. His first year produced only 154 yards. He became one of the NFL’s top wideouts for many years. He stood only 5’9”.People depending on tiny Hollywood Brown being an effective perimeter weapon are likely to be disappointed. There is like one example of a player Browns size being effective consistently on the outside—and he was effective right away.
It also seems like Groundhogs Day each season when people expect the offense to somehow transform rather than evolve. Why would Moore be running the full route tree or used on the perimeter this year?
Desean Jackson is another.Not sure who you’re referring to. My thought for a positive example would be Steve Smith. He played in the slot some but most played outside. His first year produced only 154 yards. He became one of the NFL’s top wideouts for many years. He stood only 5’9”.
Not sure who you’re referring to. My thought for a positive example would be Steve Smith. He played in the slot some but most played outside. His first year produced only 154 yards. He became one of the NFL’s top wideouts for many years. He stood only 5’9”.
Desean Jackson is another.
An inch is nothing man.Steve Smith was the example I was thinking of. Krang asserted Antonio Brown, but he's an inch taller, and I remember his game as being more catch-and-run than a deep ball artist. ADoT data on Pro Football Reference only goes back to 2018.
Both Jackson and Antonio Brown are a full inch taller than Hollywood.
Al Pacino in any given Sunday say something different about an inchAn inch is nothing man.