2022 Season - A Season of Answers

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The thing I am most excited for this season is hopefully gleaning some answers regarding certain players and one coach.

1 - Can Kyler win a meaningful game?
-In year 4, the excuses are running out. A talent deficient NFC should provide Kyler with an opportunity to clinch a postseason birth in December. Can he do it?

2 - Was Christian Kirk a deficient outside wide receiver?
-Hollywood Brown is going to have plenty of opportunities to play outside with Hopkins out. Can he produce where Kirk couldn't?

3 - Does talent on Vance's defense matter that much?
-There have been plenty of threads about this but I feel like this is the year where we find out. No Chandler Jones. No Patrick Peterson. No Jordan Hicks. No Jordan Phillips. The Cardinals will enter the season around 20th in defensive spending and only have JJ Watt and Budda Baker with a cap hit over 6 mil. Will we see a difference with Vance's bend don't break scheme and philosophy?

4 - Does Kliff's offense really utilize a "gadget" piece?
-First we drafted Andy Isabella to unlock Kliff's offense. That didn't work. Then we drafted Rondale Moore and the results were not terrible but definitely underwhelming but he was on a rookie contract. Now we get year 2, same player, and we can see if the gadgets can actually produce in this offense.

5 - Was Will Hernandez held back in NY by the dysfunction of the Giants or is he just a replacement level lineman?
-Will is moving to a system and coach he is familiar with and I don't see much competition on the roster for him. He should have every opportunity to show he was worth a top 40 selection.

There are a lot of these, but there are the larger more global questions that I believe we should have answers for by the end of the year. There are others (Simmons, Collins, Josh Jones) that I am not certain will get enough run to be answered.
 

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I’m extremely interested to see how often Moore sees the field early in the year. I 100% expect Brown to move inside on 3WR sets and Wesley and Green on the outside.
 

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I’m extremely interested to see how often Moore sees the field early in the year. I 100% expect Brown to move inside on 3WR sets and Wesley and Green on the outside.
Agree. Shame as it is, I expect kliff to plug hollywood right into Kirk's spot....then keep him there until it's time to replace DHop
 
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Agree. Shame as it is, I expect kliff to plug hollywood right into Kirk's spot....then keep him there until it's time to replace DHop
My expectation is that we see Brown, Green and Moore while Hopkins is suspended. If Brown is successful outside, we then see Moore and Green split the 3rd WR role in 11 personnel. Green needs less reps over the course of the season and will play heavy minutes early.

If Wesley plays a bunch while Hopkins is out, I think it highlights a similar issue with Keim as we see on the defense.
 

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My expectation is that we see Brown, Green and Moore while Hopkins is suspended. If Brown is successful outside, we then see Moore and Green split the 3rd WR role in 11 personnel. Green needs less reps over the course of the season and will play heavy minutes early.

If Wesley plays a bunch while Hopkins is out, I think it highlights a similar issue with Keim as we see on the defense.
The one thing that I find confusing that the Cardinals are saying is that Moore will play in Kirk's position....where does that leave Hollywood?

It would be a rather poor use of assets if the Cardinals base WRs in 11 is Hopkins, Moore, and Green. Maybe the idea is that once Hopkins comes back, that the base 11 will be Hopkins, Moore, and Hollywood? That makes more sense, but we haven't seen the Cardinals hash this out.

I'm a little more bullish on the Cardinals skill players. I think there is a road towards the offense having a ton of quality weapons, more so than a lot of teams. Hopkins, Hollywood, Ertz, Conner, Green, Moore....none of those guys are scrubs. McBride and Eno are unproven, but both have potential to be contributors. I think this skill position group is one of the better ones we've seen since the team came to Arizona.
 

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People depending on tiny Hollywood Brown being an effective perimeter weapon are likely to be disappointed. There is like one example of a player Browns size being effective consistently on the outside—and he was effective right away.

It also seems like Groundhogs Day each season when people expect the offense to somehow transform rather than evolve. Why would Moore be running the full route tree or used on the perimeter this year?
 
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The one thing that I find confusing that the Cardinals are saying is that Moore will play in Kirk's position....where does that leave Hollywood?

It would be a rather poor use of assets if the Cardinals base WRs in 11 is Hopkins, Moore, and Green. Maybe the idea is that once Hopkins comes back, that the base 11 will be Hopkins, Moore, and Hollywood? That makes more sense, but we haven't seen the Cardinals hash this out.

I'm a little more bullish on the Cardinals skill players. I think there is a road towards the offense having a ton of quality weapons, more so than a lot of teams. Hopkins, Hollywood, Ertz, Conner, Green, Moore....none of those guys are scrubs. McBride and Eno are unproven, but both have potential to be contributors. I think this skill position group is one of the better ones we've seen since the team came to Arizona.
I believe the our base 11 personnel will be Hopkins, Brown and Green/Moore with Ertz and Conner. I say Green/Moore because I think they will even out those snaps based upon what they want to do.

12 personnel probably still is Hopkins and Brown (Green and Brown while Hop is out).
 
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People depending on tiny Hollywood Brown being an effective perimeter weapon are likely to be disappointed. There is like one example of a player Browns size being effective consistently on the outside—and he was effective right away.

It also seems like Groundhogs Day each season when people expect the offense to somehow transform rather than evolve. Why would Moore be running the full route tree or used on the perimeter this year?
PlayerProfiler has 19% of Brown's snaps last year out of the slot. Are you seeing something different because if not, I guess that would lend credence to him being able to produce outside.

In terms of Moore, his usage is dependent on how the Cardinals use Brown and McBride as well as how often they line up in 10 personnel. If Brown just slides into Kirk's role then Moore is limited. And if they decide to use more 12 personnel with McBride, Moore is limited. Both would highlight that Keim has no long-term roster plan.
 

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PlayerProfiler has 19% of Brown's snaps last year out of the slot. Are you seeing something different because if not, I guess that would lend credence to him being able to produce outside.

In terms of Moore, his usage is dependent on how the Cardinals use Brown and McBride as well as how often they line up in 10 personnel. If Brown just slides into Kirk's role then Moore is limited. And if they decide to use more 12 personnel with McBride, Moore is limited. Both would highlight that Keim has no long-term roster plan.
We’ll, as many have pointed out, Baltimore ran a non-traditional offense where many of Browns routed ended up in-breaking and he got many of his targets near or within the hash marks.

As we’ve seen so far, Kliff’s perimeter receivers tend to stay on the perimeter and either keep heading outside or go deep on the post and maybe fade.
 

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We’ll, as many have pointed out, Baltimore ran a non-traditional offense where many of Browns routed ended up in-breaking and he got many of his targets near or within the hash marks.

As we’ve seen so far, Kliff’s perimeter receivers tend to stay on the perimeter and either keep heading outside or go deep on the post and maybe fade.
Could this be a function of Lamar's strength and weaknesses?
 

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We’ll, as many have pointed out, Baltimore ran a non-traditional offense where many of Browns routed ended up in-breaking and he got many of his targets near or within the hash marks.

As we’ve seen so far, Kliff’s perimeter receivers tend to stay on the perimeter and either keep heading outside or go deep on the post and maybe fade.

Honestly can't see much difference between Brow's route map and Nuk's. Except brown moves around more. Or should I say, Hopkins plays in handcuffs? Plenty of outside stuff from Brown.

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Honestly can't see much difference between Brow's route map and Nuk's. Except brown moves around more. Or should I say, Hopkins plays in handcuffs? Plenty of outside stuff from Brown.

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Yeah, but you don't want to use Marquise Brown the way you use DeAndre Hopkins, do you? Isn't Brown supposed to be a big-play threat, not a ball-control possession receiver? Also, Hopkins is 6'1" and much more productive in that role than Brown has proven.
 
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Yeah, but you don't want to use Marquise Brown the way you use DeAndre Hopkins, do you? Isn't Brown supposed to be a big-play threat, not a ball-control possession receiver? Also, Hopkins is 6'1" and much more productive in that role than Brown has proven.
We should know for sure by the time Hopkins gets back.
 

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