2019 Novel Coronavirus (Covid-19)

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  1. Russ Smith

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    “I’ve never worked for a company as cultish as Tesla,” says Carlos Gabriel, an assembly line worker who has refused to return to the plant because of safety concerns. There’s no published count of the number of workers refusing to return, but the anonymous source we spoke to estimated that 5-10 percent of workers expected at his shifts were absent. Though Tesla has said workers who refuse to return will remain employed on “unpaid leave,” Gabriel isn’t holding out hope. “If you speak up you’re either fired, frowned upon, or picked on.”

    “It’s a modern day sweatshop,” says Gabriel, who helped organize a small protest outside the Fremont factory on Saturday, May 16. “They’re using all the tactics they can to keep you from leaving.”

    By way of example, Gabriel says that all employees’ accrued paid time off (PTO) was disbursed just before the week began. Tesla said in an email that this was required by California law as a part of an employee’s extended furlough. Gabriel believes the move was made in order to force employees back to the plant, by depriving them of the ability to cash in their PTO reserves while staying home.

    Shifts at the plant are arduous and long — lasting between 8 and 12 hours. A 61-year-old assembly line employee named Art, who was only comfortable sharing his first name, says he and his colleagues work “shoulder to shoulder,” with no room for 6 feet of distance. Workers, many of whom travel in Tesla shuttles to the plant from several hours away, wake up as early as 3:30 a.m. to start work at the plant between 5 a.m. and 6 a.m.

    Gabriel says he often works 72-hour weeks, and Art says he doesn’t know whether his 8-hour shift will be extended to 10 hours, or when his breaks will be, until he arrives to work that day. Oftentimes, he says, he’s unable to eat the lunch friends and family bring for his shift, because his lunch break will be called hours earlier or later than expected. He adds that shift breaks are the bare legal minimum — 35 minutes for lunch, and 10 minutes to rest every two to three hours — which is difficult to maximize when he has to walk to break rooms located far from the assembly line.

    Fremont police in the article say they're being called to the plant anonymously by employees daily but they are simply too busy to do daily inspections. Employees say when police do show up, Tesla escorts them to specific parts of the factory that have good social distancing and won't take them into the areas that don't.

    Even I this sounds like sour grapes and I've made it clear I think Musk is over the top.

    BTW he apparently again recently responded to employee complaints of lack of safety by writing in an internal email "take the red pill" the reference to the Matrix, he also put it on Twitter.
     
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    Alabama coach Nick Saban wears a mask for a PSA posted May 21, 2020 in which he urges mask-wearing and social distancing.

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    He probably have more influence than any government official in Alabama.

    There is God and right after Nick Satan there...
     
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    Max Oregon plus the additional $600 per week still doesn’t come close to what my salary was before being laid off.

    I’m hoping they figure something out soon. Perhaps a match of what your state unemployment payment is. If you get $450, fed would match the $450. This would close some of the gap that republicans are complaining about.
     
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    Unsurprising, coming from the company run by one of the most vocal "get back to work" employers.

    I'm running out of patience for the "get back to work"ers. It's really "get back to work for me, I'm losing money, why aren't you worried about me?"
     
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    Wouldn’t something as far as unemployment is concerned, be better suited as how the military treats basic housing allowance? Just a thought.
     
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    The GOP leadership has such a myopic view of the situation based on treating the poor and working class punitively. The person coming out “ahead” on benefits may well have child care responsibilities that will immediately put them “behind” if they return to their low-wage job (or in many cases, jobs). Not to mention the effect on the child who suddenly goes without care. Or they may use the “windfall” to educate or professionally transition—exactly the kind of thing that UBI models promote.
     
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    Was doing back of the envelope math today on a thread on FB with a friend from HS who was born in Sweden and another guy. the Swedish guy has a college friend who's a doctor in Sweden. Sweden will pass 4K deaths today, they think they have about 7% antibodies now based on a study just done in Stockholm which puts them 1 tenth of where they think they need(70) to get to their herd immunity plan. Not linear of course but that would be 40K deaths, out of 10 million, to get to herd immunity. The same ratio in the US would be 1.32 million deaths. But then the doctor chimed in and pointed out that's a low estimate because the populations are totally different, people in Sweden are much healthier in the US, they live longer, obesity is much less common, they do drink and use recreational drugs etc but he said we also have much less population density, it's easier to not come in contact with people here even without locking down because of it. So it could easily be 1.5 million or more had we chosen Trumps' original plan to do nothing and go for herd immunity. We're going to pass 100K this weekend, which seems staggering to me, imagine if 15 times that many people were to die?
     
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    Quick all the identity thiefs of America rise up!

     
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    Looks like the projected deaths in U.S. from COVID-19 is down slightly to 143,357 (by August) based on IMHE release on May 18, 2020.


    Key findings from today’s release (May 18, 2020)

    A focus on the United States


    Based on the latest available data, COVID-19 could lead to an estimated 143,357 (estimate range of 115,378 to 207,364) cumulative deaths in the US by August. This is somewhat lower than our May 12 release (147,040 cumulative COVID-19 deaths, with an estimate range of 113,182 to 226,971), with considerable overlap of the uncertainty intervals.

    http://www.healthdata.org/covid/updates
     
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    Not trying to be funny, but do you know if that's by August 1st or 31st?
     
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    I silently asked the same question but it was already so bad I didn't pursue it.

    They say through August in another part of the report so I guessing it's through the end of August. Of course these projections will keep changing.
     
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    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    At this juncture, knowing actual deaths, I wonder:

    a) why do we care about projections? I can understand it at the onset of a pandemic to understand magnitude. But at present we have actual data and can track rate. So why do projections even matter?

    b) also, why project to any given date? Is it set to end in that date?

    I suppose I don’t see the value in tracking projections which don’t seem capable of accuracy particularly in light of changing factors - many of which are unpredictable - such as different regions opening, idiotic protests concentrating idiots, and mutation. Seems an exercise in folly without goal.
     
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    We have a furlough week at work first week of June. I'm branching out a bit, Tue morning I have an appointment for my Subaru as mentioned before. I just made an appointment with my dentist for Thur afternoon. They'd sent out some pretty extensive Covid 19 plans and I've been going there for 40 plus years so I feel pretty good about them. My understanding is someone meets you at your car, takes your temp, asks you a series of questions. they email you a questionnaire in advance so you don't have to fill out the forms in the office. If you have new insurance they ask you to email a copy so they have it and don't have to touch paperwork.

    I think they then instruct you where to park, take you in and you get screened for temp again.

    We'll see if I have the guts to follow through but they showed pics the hygienist and dentist are wearing both a surgical mask and a clear plastic mask like the welding masks.

    I have been concerned being at home this long I'm not eating as healthy and I'm 2 1/2 months past my 6 months due to all this so I figure I want to get checked out. I picked Thur so I have a few days to chicken out.
     
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    For me, looking at the projected death rate gives me a better idea where the virus is now and where it's headed.

    The infection rate is so ambiguous since we really don't know the actual number of those infected because of lack of testing and the large number (perhaps 35%) that are asymptomatic.

    As in the IHME projection, it gives an idea how bad things are at a given point in time. It's the one consistent measure I have been following since the virus started in the United States. Also it's something the White House uses or at least used to use.
     
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    No doubt it was a blunt instrument to deal with an emergency. I don't think there was time to fashion a scalpel; you just had to get the benefits out there. A better plan would be to link unemployment insurance benefits to the average area Cost of Living and then to reduce that number by some percentage that guarantees that a person can feed their family and keep the roof over their head, but not much else. You won't die, but you're not going to be living high off the hog either.

    In Vegas, the maximum weekly UIB is about $400/wk (which translates to $1,732/mo or $20,800/yr). The "comfortable" living salary (not my words) is about $50,000 / yr. If you figure it costs about $10k a year to work (gas, insurance, etc.), then we should be setting the UBI at about $30-35k a year.

    Just my back of the napkin calculations.
     
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