2018-19 Season | Point Guard Discussion

Discussion in 'Phoenix Suns' started by Poop Head, Jul 15, 2018.

  1. SirStefan32

    SirStefan32 Krycek, Alex Krycek

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    You have to start somewhere.
     
  2. Ouchie-Z-Clown

    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    I never said this crap team wasn’t a smelly cow patty.
     
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    Covert Rain Father smelt of elderberries!

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    Right but I would expect a different coach to make some aspect a little better somewhere verses making every single statistical category worse.

    I see absolutely nothing redeeming about Igor. I wasn't against his hiring but a couple of us where like "meh" because we didn't see him bring anything to the table. I think Cheese was one of the other persons the day of that hiring that I can recall felt the same way.

    At any rate, I think some on this board are not surprised at the result. He is terrible.
     
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  4. elindholm

    elindholm rehabilitated

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    I couldn't remember what I concluded about the Ariza deal, so I went back and re-read the thread. And the answer is ... I didn't say anything.

    Re-reading the thread, however, is sobering. There was not a clear consensus that another move was coming. A few people believed that, and the end of the thread includes a statement from McDonough that people interpreted as a promise. But basically, there was a lot of head-scratching.

    What's clear, however, is that no one foresaw that Ariza could possibly be as ineffective as he is. The board debated whether he could really hack it as a PF, whether it made sense to give him minutes at the expense of the youngsters, and whether it meant that either Warren or Jackson was on the way out. But everyone trusted that he would at least be competent. How wrong we were.

    https://www.arizonasportsfans.com/forum/threads/trevor-ariza.272265/
     
  5. Ouchie-Z-Clown

    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    I was somewhere between meh and ooookay. Strongly in the meh minus category now.
     
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    He's quickly approaching Wilks territory. Unbelievable
     
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    The suns are averaging two (2) assists per game more than last season.

    I agree that coaching effort is not the responsibility of an assistant coach but a head coach absolutely must motivate and inspire players, especially young players to put forth maximum effort.

    Igor probably has the potential to be a good coach but fixing this dumpster fire is going to take an extraordinary coach that can teach, inspire and command respect.
     
  8. Poop Head

    Poop Head Poster formerly known as kingdad

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    It's worth looking at that thread just to see how some have done a complete 180 on Jackson. He was considered part of our core and untouchable by the majority of people who mentioned him and now there's been numerous calls to bench him, how he's a bust, and how we should have taken Fox or someone else.
     
  9. Ouchie-Z-Clown

    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    I still believe in JJ’s future. But given our construct and their respective play, it’s difficult not to admit that Fox looks like he would have been a better pick, with hindsight of course.
     
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    I still consider him part of our core although obviously I have some doubts. I don't consider him untouchable in the traditional sense although I did consider him untouchable at the moment of that thread because you don't send a player to the lottery and then turn right around and trade him. But I consider him untouchable right now because his league wide value is likely well below his potential. If we can't move him for reasonable value he should be here until he proves he can't tone down his mistakes and improve his shooting. IOW it's too early to dump him.
     
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    It would certainly be hindsight for me, I was just as concerned about Fox as I was about JJ. All I saw of Jackson at Kansas was a poor shooting reckless ballhandler whose defensive problems were hidden by the way they used him. But he won me over gradually despite his horrible start. I can't explain what's going on with him now but the raw ability is there along with an obvious desire to excel. We may not have the right guy on staff but there is a coach out there that will turn him into a very good player IMO.
     
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    JJ's play has caused a change of opinion. I felt JJ became expendable as soon as we drafted Bridges.

    If I remember correctly JJ was mentioned in a trade for Kyrie who is averaging 22ppg 5rpg and 6ast this season.

    I'm pretty sure the suns would be better with Kyrie than they are with JJ.
     
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    Only issue with JJ is his shooting, makes a low % of anything right now.
     
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    If we could have kept him, yes. I highly doubt he would have stayed though and that was the problem (that plus injury history).
     
  15. Chaplin

    Chaplin Better off silent

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    The "pundits" and sportswriters were over the moon about the Ariza signing. Not sure why they were, but they were.
     

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