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1 – To me, training camp is not about the established players. It’s obviously different for the coaches, but I think it is about positive developments for the fans. Budda Baker will be good. Calais Campbell will be good. Paris Johnson will be good. Tre McBride will be good. Etc. I am looking for things that can improve the team.

2 – I really hope that Marvin Harrison and Will Johnson line up against each other often. That will tell us something about each one.

3 – Isaiah Adams might be the most interesting player to me in camp. If he can take a step up, that would be huge.

4 – Reports are that they wanted either Walter Nolen or Mykel Williams in the first round, and I would guess that Darius Robinson’s primary position would be dictated by the choice. If they drafted an edge (Williams), Robinson would primarily play down lineman. If they drafted the DT (Nolen), Robinson would mostly play on the edge. Also, when Robinson went from fringe second round pick to first round pick during his senior season at Missouri, it was in an edge rush-role. Not always in a wide 9 (like the Cards use), but at least outside the tackle’s shoulder.
Thus, the choice of Nolen might have some very positive repercussions in how they deploy Robinson. If so, I think it would be noticeable in camp.

5 – I hope they will add a WR, and I think there are good options out there.

Amari Cooper was with Drew Petzing in Cleveland, where he also had Jacoby Brissett as his quarterback, so Ossenfort have all the information he could ask for. One potential issue could be if Cooper wants to be #3 receiver behind Harrison and McBride?

Gabe Davis was released by Jacksonville after the draft, and it is very surprising to me that the Cardinals have not at least brough him in for a visit. He seems to fit everything they look for in a WR, including being one of the better blocking WR’s in the NFL. And he would almost certainly be fine with not being the primary WR.

Fun speculation: Consider Terry McLaurin. He is upset with the Commanders, so even though he has not demanded a trade yet, that can happen quickly. I doubt that Ossenfort would trade for a 29-year-old that wants a massive contract extension, but after all, McLaurin did play at the required school (Ohio State), and WR coach Drew Terrell coached him for three years in Washington. One good thing about trading for someone is that it doesn’t matter if they would be satisfied being a #3. They don’t have a choice, unless they are willing to lose millions. Again, I don’t believe in this idea myself, but McLaurin would take the offense to another level.

6 – I was on record last year before the 2024 draft saying that I had liked Elijah Jones for months but didn’t think he was a good fit. Well, Gannon is a DB-oracle, so he obviously has a plan with Jones. That intrigues me quite a lot.

7 – Lord knows that I am not a big fan of Pro Football Focus, but their tracking of pass-rush win rate seems reliable to me (it’s only seeing if the QB drops back and then see if a guy wins his one-on-one battle within 2.5 seconds. That doesn’t seem very difficult). During the time that Baron Browning played for the Cardinals (so week 10-18) he ranked 6th among edge defenders in the NFL in pass-rush win rate. He might stand out in a very deep group of edge rushers.

8 – I don’t expect Justin Frye to be on the same level as Klayton Adams, but I do look forward to seeing if he can develop the young players in the o-line room. Take a player like Josh Fryar. I think it is obvious that Frye was the one advocating strongly for Ossenfort to bring him in. Jon Gaines, Christian Jones, Hayden Connor. We obviously won’t find out for sure before the games start, but it would be great if Frye could turn one or more of them into starters.

9 – Most years there are realistically questions about five or six spots on the 53, but not this year. This year there are roster spots up for grabs everywhere.
I would not be surprised if Ossenfort could sell two, three or maybe even four players at the end of camp.

10 – DT Elijah Simmons should never have been an UDFA. There is no way to argue otherwise. The competition at defensive line is massive, but Simmons is the only one with the playing style of Dalvin Tomlinson. He certainly has a shot.

11 – I still have hopes for B.J. Ojulari. He had really, really good moments in the second half of the 2023-season. If his body and athleticism are back to that shape, there’s no reason that he cannot be developed into a strong contributor.

12 – Sure, I also remember Brandon Keith, Elie Bouka, Stephen Williams, and other no-name players that before- and during camp had been talked up to be new All Pro’s, but still, I do find it interesting to follow WR Xavier Weaver. Actually, Weaver did show some good things in a couple of games late last season, and if he more consistently can bring the speed element, that could be huge.

13 – Look out for Denzel Burke. Yeah, I know that he was my draft crush, but even if I look at it as objectively as I can, there is absolutely a chance that he rises up the depth chart before the season starts.

14 – Before the draft, several analysts mentioned that if you don’t get Shemar Stewart in the first round, you should target Jordan Burch later. Point being that they have many similar traits and movement skills. Many fans complained when they selected Burch, but let’s see if that is still the case in a month.

15 – It might not be the sexiest pick for most important camp-battle, but I am very interested in who wins of Matt Prater and Chad Ryland.
 

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1 – To me, training camp is not about the established players. It’s obviously different for the coaches, but I think it is about positive developments for the fans. Budda Baker will be good. Calais Campbell will be good. Paris Johnson will be good. Tre McBride will be good. Etc. I am looking for things that can improve the team.

2 – I really hope that Marvin Harrison and Will Johnson line up against each other often. That will tell us something about each one.

3 – Isaiah Adams might be the most interesting player to me in camp. If he can take a step up, that would be huge.

4 – Reports are that they wanted either Walter Nolen or Mykel Williams in the first round, and I would guess that Darius Robinson’s primary position would be dictated by the choice. If they drafted an edge (Williams), Robinson would primarily play down lineman. If they drafted the DT (Nolen), Robinson would mostly play on the edge. Also, when Robinson went from fringe second round pick to first round pick during his senior season at Missouri, it was in an edge rush-role. Not always in a wide 9 (like the Cards use), but at least outside the tackle’s shoulder.
Thus, the choice of Nolen might have some very positive repercussions in how they deploy Robinson. If so, I think it would be noticeable in camp.

5 – I hope they will add a WR, and I think there are good options out there.

Amari Cooper was with Drew Petzing in Cleveland, where he also had Jacoby Brissett as his quarterback, so Ossenfort have all the information he could ask for. One potential issue could be if Cooper wants to be #3 receiver behind Harrison and McBride?

Gabe Davis was released by Jacksonville after the draft, and it is very surprising to me that the Cardinals have not at least brough him in for a visit. He seems to fit everything they look for in a WR, including being one of the better blocking WR’s in the NFL. And he would almost certainly be fine with not being the primary WR.

Fun speculation: Consider Terry McLaurin. He is upset with the Commanders, so even though he has not demanded a trade yet, that can happen quickly. I doubt that Ossenfort would trade for a 29-year-old that wants a massive contract extension, but after all, McLaurin did play at the required school (Ohio State), and WR coach Drew Terrell coached him for three years in Washington. One good thing about trading for someone is that it doesn’t matter if they would be satisfied being a #3. They don’t have a choice, unless they are willing to lose millions. Again, I don’t believe in this idea myself, but McLaurin would take the offense to another level.

6 – I was on record last year before the 2024 draft saying that I had liked Elijah Jones for months but didn’t think he was a good fit. Well, Gannon is a DB-oracle, so he obviously has a plan with Jones. That intrigues me quite a lot.

7 – Lord knows that I am not a big fan of Pro Football Focus, but their tracking of pass-rush win rate seems reliable to me (it’s only seeing if the QB drops back and then see if a guy wins his one-on-one battle within 2.5 seconds. That doesn’t seem very difficult). During the time that Baron Browning played for the Cardinals (so week 10-18) he ranked 6th among edge defenders in the NFL in pass-rush win rate. He might stand out in a very deep group of edge rushers.

8 – I don’t expect Justin Frye to be on the same level as Klayton Adams, but I do look forward to seeing if he can develop the young players in the o-line room. Take a player like Josh Fryar. I think it is obvious that Frye was the one advocating strongly for Ossenfort to bring him in. Jon Gaines, Christian Jones, Hayden Connor. We obviously won’t find out for sure before the games start, but it would be great if Frye could turn one or more of them into starters.

9 – Most years there are realistically questions about five or six spots on the 53, but not this year. This year there are roster spots up for grabs everywhere.
I would not be surprised if Ossenfort could sell two, three or maybe even four players at the end of camp.

10 – DT Elijah Simmons should never have been an UDFA. There is no way to argue otherwise. The competition at defensive line is massive, but Simmons is the only one with the playing style of Dalvin Tomlinson. He certainly has a shot.

11 – I still have hopes for B.J. Ojulari. He had really, really good moments in the second half of the 2023-season. If his body and athleticism are back to that shape, there’s no reason that he cannot be developed into a strong contributor.

12 – Sure, I also remember Brandon Keith, Elie Bouka, Stephen Williams, and other no-name players that before- and during camp had been talked up to be new All Pro’s, but still, I do find it interesting to follow WR Xavier Weaver. Actually, Weaver did show some good things in a couple of games late last season, and if he more consistently can bring the speed element, that could be huge.

13 – Look out for Denzel Burke. Yeah, I know that he was my draft crush, but even if I look at it as objectively as I can, there is absolutely a chance that he rises up the depth chart before the season starts.

14 – Before the draft, several analysts mentioned that if you don’t get Shemar Stewart in the first round, you should target Jordan Burch later. Point being that they have many similar traits and movement skills. Many fans complained when they selected Burch, but let’s see if that is still the case in a month.

15 – It might not be the sexiest pick for most important camp-battle, but I am very interested in who wins of Matt Prater and Chad Ryland.
2 I just hope they can get Johnson a full camp
4 Robinson plays outside
5 Barring injury no new receivers
6 I like Jones
10 Puncher’s chance
12 The Cards have the makings of a great pass rush
13 Burke looks like the kind of guy who plays 10 years for 6 teams
14 I love Burch
15 No contest: Ryland
 

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Amari Cooper wont have issues being a #3 wherever he signs. He had a worse year than Michael Wilson despite being asked to be the #1 guy for the Bills/Browns. He is extremely washed. He would be competing with Zay Jones for snaps.

I agree with you a lot on Ojulari. He had a good rookie season, missed his second season with an ACL. I don't see any reason he can't recover from the ACL and continue being good.
 
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I agree with you a lot on Ojulari. He had a good rookie season, missed his second season with an ACL. I don't see any reason he can't recover from the ACL and continue being good.
He did not, but do you buddy
 

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I might be misreading but is your implication that Wilson would start over Terry if we traded for him?
 

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I heard months ago that Prater was going to re-sign with Denver. Don't know what happened there, but he certainly isn't going to be at the Cards' training camp.
 

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He did not, but do you buddy
He did pretty well on a per snap basis iirc...
But he didn't earn too many snaps...rather that was due to effort off the field or production on it i don't know. But imo it had some to do with being really young and light in the pants.
 

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He did pretty well on a per snap basis iirc...
But he didn't earn too many snaps...rather that was due to effort off the field or production on it i don't know. But imo it had some to do with being really young and light in the pants.
If you’re a second round pick who can’t earn snaps on a 4-13 team you did not have a good rookie season.

I’m still mystified by the very good moments people are saying he had.
 

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BJ is coming off and acl injury so I'm expecting him to look like most players their first year back, limited and not as explosive.
Same.
So if he manages 7 or 8 sacks I will be pretty stoked for his future
 

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1 - I’m mostly interested in seeing who has taken the next step. A looooong list of young players that has the potential to become really good. That is for me the most interesting.

2 - absolutely, but also looking forward seeing Melton and Jones in that role. All back to #1. Where are the young talents at this point?

3 - Most Critical yes, because this is arguebly the pressure point of the entire roster, where there isn't a clear alternative. But it's kinda a 0/1 outcome. Either he is ready or he's not. I'm looking more forward to the CB room, DT room and Reiman's development.

4 - Two aspects to this. One for this season, where Nolan is a rookie and a lot of older veterans. But more interesting... How will it look beyond next year.

5 - Will not happen. Improvements have to be found through scheme and not by adding a so-so veteran. This ship sailed when WR wasn't drafted IMO. Scary Terry as an elite talent could happen, but not an aging veteran.

6 - He is the completely forgotten player on the roster. Nothing is being reported. One of the local Cards podcast where impressed with him in minicamp. Going to be interesting to see.

7 - Browning has some of the best metrics in pass-rushing according to PFF. AND perhaps the worst in run-stopping. Looking forward seeing how he's going to be used.

8 - I'm worried about the consistency with a next OL coach. Intrigued by Christian Jones. He looked good in his 1 start. Good enough to be swing tackle for the future. If he continue his development, he could be pushing for a starting role.

9 - Stills and Starling Thomas are the only ones that could give a mid round pick in return. And I doubt they are moved.

Doubt MO can get much for any other. No one wants to take Nicols contract. Clark and Jaden Davis would have to show insane play in pre-season in order for someone to give something in return.

10 - Fact is that he WAS an UDFA. I disagree with him being the only choice behind Tomlinson. Justin Jones was a quality player in Chicago playing 2nd fiddle and taking up space for Hicks etc. Jones makes the team . Simmons to the PS IMO.

11 - He's a joker. If he returns to the form he was reported to be in last training camp, then he could be a significant addition to the roster. But I would then immediately start thinking "Will he stay healthy?"

12 - There is a reason why is was stashed away on the active roster. Interesting to follow.

13 - There are so many CBs. I'm interested in the entire room.

14 - I liked the pick and unlike Stewart Burch gets the luxury of having time to develop as a 3rd rounder in a pretty full room.

15 - Already over. Prater is no longer on the team.
 

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1 - I’m mostly interested in seeing who has taken the next step. A looooong list of young players that has the potential to become really good. That is for me the most interesting.

2 - absolutely, but also looking forward seeing Melton and Jones in that role. All back to #1. Where are the young talents at this point?

3 - Most Critical yes, because this is arguebly the pressure point of the entire roster, where there isn't a clear alternative. But it's kinda a 0/1 outcome. Either he is ready or he's not. I'm looking more forward to the CB room, DT room and Reiman's development.

4 - Two aspects to this. One for this season, where Nolan is a rookie and a lot of older veterans. But more interesting... How will it look beyond next year.

5 - Will not happen. Improvements have to be found through scheme and not by adding a so-so veteran. This ship sailed when WR wasn't drafted IMO. Scary Terry as an elite talent could happen, but not an aging veteran.

6 - He is the completely forgotten player on the roster. Nothing is being reported. One of the local Cards podcast where impressed with him in minicamp. Going to be interesting to see.

7 - Browning has some of the best metrics in pass-rushing according to PFF. AND perhaps the worst in run-stopping. Looking forward seeing how he's going to be used.

8 - I'm worried about the consistency with a next OL coach. Intrigued by Christian Jones. He looked good in his 1 start. Good enough to be swing tackle for the future. If he continue his development, he could be pushing for a starting role.

9 - Stills and Starling Thomas are the only ones that could give a mid round pick in return. And I doubt they are moved.

Doubt MO can get much for any other. No one wants to take Nicols contract. Clark and Jaden Davis would have to show insane play in pre-season in order for someone to give something in return.

10 - Fact is that he WAS an UDFA. I disagree with him being the only choice behind Tomlinson. Justin Jones was a quality player in Chicago playing 2nd fiddle and taking up space for Hicks etc. Jones makes the team . Simmons to the PS IMO.

11 - He's a joker. If he returns to the form he was reported to be in last training camp, then he could be a significant addition to the roster. But I would then immediately start thinking "Will he stay healthy?"

12 - There is a reason why is was stashed away on the active roster. Interesting to follow.

13 - There are so many CBs. I'm interested in the entire room.

14 - I liked the pick and unlike Stewart Burch gets the luxury of having time to develop as a 3rd rounder in a pretty full room.

15 - Already over. Prater is no longer on the team.
Well said sir.
A bit difficult to reference what you were responding too in a few cases...but we'll stated none the less. I think i agree
 

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2 I just hope they can get Johnson a full camp
4 Robinson plays outside
5 Barring injury no new receivers
6 I like Jones
10 Puncher’s chance
12 The Cards have the makings of a great pass rush
13 Burke looks like the kind of guy who plays 10 years for 6 teams
14 I love Burch
15 No contest: Ryland
Some clarity required? The comment doesn’t seem to align with a Weaver mention.

Did you mean to reference 11?
 

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1 - I’m mostly interested in seeing who has taken the next step. A looooong list of young players that has the potential to become really good. That is for me the most interesting.

2 - absolutely, but also looking forward seeing Melton and Jones in that role. All back to #1. Where are the young talents at this point?

3 - Most Critical yes, because this is arguebly the pressure point of the entire roster, where there isn't a clear alternative. But it's kinda a 0/1 outcome. Either he is ready or he's not. I'm looking more forward to the CB room, DT room and Reiman's development.

4 - Two aspects to this. One for this season, where Nolan is a rookie and a lot of older veterans. But more interesting... How will it look beyond next year.

5 - Will not happen. Improvements have to be found through scheme and not by adding a so-so veteran. This ship sailed when WR wasn't drafted IMO. Scary Terry as an elite talent could happen, but not an aging veteran.

6 - He is the completely forgotten player on the roster. Nothing is being reported. One of the local Cards podcast where impressed with him in minicamp. Going to be interesting to see.

7 - Browning has some of the best metrics in pass-rushing according to PFF. AND perhaps the worst in run-stopping. Looking forward seeing how he's going to be used.

8 - I'm worried about the consistency with a next OL coach. Intrigued by Christian Jones. He looked good in his 1 start. Good enough to be swing tackle for the future. If he continue his development, he could be pushing for a starting role.

9 - Stills and Starling Thomas are the only ones that could give a mid round pick in return. And I doubt they are moved.

Doubt MO can get much for any other. No one wants to take Nicols contract. Clark and Jaden Davis would have to show insane play in pre-season in order for someone to give something in return.

10 - Fact is that he WAS an UDFA. I disagree with him being the only choice behind Tomlinson. Justin Jones was a quality player in Chicago playing 2nd fiddle and taking up space for Hicks etc. Jones makes the team . Simmons to the PS IMO.

11 - He's a joker. If he returns to the form he was reported to be in last training camp, then he could be a significant addition to the roster. But I would then immediately start thinking "Will he stay healthy?"

12 - There is a reason why is was stashed away on the active roster. Interesting to follow.

13 - There are so many CBs. I'm interested in the entire room.

14 - I liked the pick and unlike Stewart Burch gets the luxury of having time to develop as a 3rd rounder in a pretty full room.

15 - Already over. Prater is no longer on the team.
Excellent addition to an insightful thread.
 

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1 – To me, training camp is not about the established players. It’s obviously different for the coaches, but I think it is about positive developments for the fans. Budda Baker will be good. Calais Campbell will be good. Paris Johnson will be good. Tre McBride will be good. Etc. I am looking for things that can improve the team.

2 – I really hope that Marvin Harrison and Will Johnson line up against each other often. That will tell us something about each one.

3 – Isaiah Adams might be the most interesting player to me in camp. If he can take a step up, that would be huge.

4 – Reports are that they wanted either Walter Nolen or Mykel Williams in the first round, and I would guess that Darius Robinson’s primary position would be dictated by the choice. If they drafted an edge (Williams), Robinson would primarily play down lineman. If they drafted the DT (Nolen), Robinson would mostly play on the edge. Also, when Robinson went from fringe second round pick to first round pick during his senior season at Missouri, it was in an edge rush-role. Not always in a wide 9 (like the Cards use), but at least outside the tackle’s shoulder.
Thus, the choice of Nolen might have some very positive repercussions in how they deploy Robinson. If so, I think it would be noticeable in camp.

5 – I hope they will add a WR, and I think there are good options out there.

Amari Cooper was with Drew Petzing in Cleveland, where he also had Jacoby Brissett as his quarterback, so Ossenfort have all the information he could ask for. One potential issue could be if Cooper wants to be #3 receiver behind Harrison and McBride?

Gabe Davis was released by Jacksonville after the draft, and it is very surprising to me that the Cardinals have not at least brough him in for a visit. He seems to fit everything they look for in a WR, including being one of the better blocking WR’s in the NFL. And he would almost certainly be fine with not being the primary WR.

Fun speculation: Consider Terry McLaurin. He is upset with the Commanders, so even though he has not demanded a trade yet, that can happen quickly. I doubt that Ossenfort would trade for a 29-year-old that wants a massive contract extension, but after all, McLaurin did play at the required school (Ohio State), and WR coach Drew Terrell coached him for three years in Washington. One good thing about trading for someone is that it doesn’t matter if they would be satisfied being a #3. They don’t have a choice, unless they are willing to lose millions. Again, I don’t believe in this idea myself, but McLaurin would take the offense to another level.

6 – I was on record last year before the 2024 draft saying that I had liked Elijah Jones for months but didn’t think he was a good fit. Well, Gannon is a DB-oracle, so he obviously has a plan with Jones. That intrigues me quite a lot.

7 – Lord knows that I am not a big fan of Pro Football Focus, but their tracking of pass-rush win rate seems reliable to me (it’s only seeing if the QB drops back and then see if a guy wins his one-on-one battle within 2.5 seconds. That doesn’t seem very difficult). During the time that Baron Browning played for the Cardinals (so week 10-18) he ranked 6th among edge defenders in the NFL in pass-rush win rate. He might stand out in a very deep group of edge rushers.

8 – I don’t expect Justin Frye to be on the same level as Klayton Adams, but I do look forward to seeing if he can develop the young players in the o-line room. Take a player like Josh Fryar. I think it is obvious that Frye was the one advocating strongly for Ossenfort to bring him in. Jon Gaines, Christian Jones, Hayden Connor. We obviously won’t find out for sure before the games start, but it would be great if Frye could turn one or more of them into starters.

9 – Most years there are realistically questions about five or six spots on the 53, but not this year. This year there are roster spots up for grabs everywhere.
I would not be surprised if Ossenfort could sell two, three or maybe even four players at the end of camp.

10 – DT Elijah Simmons should never have been an UDFA. There is no way to argue otherwise. The competition at defensive line is massive, but Simmons is the only one with the playing style of Dalvin Tomlinson. He certainly has a shot.

11 – I still have hopes for B.J. Ojulari. He had really, really good moments in the second half of the 2023-season. If his body and athleticism are back to that shape, there’s no reason that he cannot be developed into a strong contributor.

12 – Sure, I also remember Brandon Keith, Elie Bouka, Stephen Williams, and other no-name players that before- and during camp had been talked up to be new All Pro’s, but still, I do find it interesting to follow WR Xavier Weaver. Actually, Weaver did show some good things in a couple of games late last season, and if he more consistently can bring the speed element, that could be huge.

13 – Look out for Denzel Burke. Yeah, I know that he was my draft crush, but even if I look at it as objectively as I can, there is absolutely a chance that he rises up the depth chart before the season starts.

14 – Before the draft, several analysts mentioned that if you don’t get Shemar Stewart in the first round, you should target Jordan Burch later. Point being that they have many similar traits and movement skills. Many fans complained when they selected Burch, but let’s see if that is still the case in a month.

15 – It might not be the sexiest pick for most important camp-battle, but I am very interested in who wins of Matt Prater and Chad Ryland.
Gandhi, maybe your best post!
 

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If you’re a second round pick who can’t earn snaps on a 4-13 team you did not have a good rookie season.

I’m still mystified by the very good moments people are saying he had.
This is hilarious.

You have spend two years throwing mud at MO for drafting an injury prone player despite there were nothing to indicate that he would struggle constantly with injuries.

And now you do a 180 and pretend he wasn’t injured and blame him for not being able to contribute more.

So was he injured or not? Either way one of your arguments fail. Which one is it then? He was too injured to contribute or not good enough?
 

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This is hilarious.

You have spend two years throwing mud at MO for drafting an injury prone player despite there were nothing to indicate that he would struggle constantly with injuries.

And now you do a 180 and pretend he wasn’t injured and blame him for not being able to contribute more.

So was he injured or not? Either way one of your arguments fail. Which one is it then? He was too injured to contribute or not good enough?
You’re hunting for k9 arguments too much. There was definitely enough meat on the bone his rookie year to be able to state that he didn’t “have a good season.”
 

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You’re hunting for k9 arguments too much. There was definitely enough meat on the bone his rookie year to be able to state that he didn’t “have a good season.”
I am probably more mediocre on Ojulari than most on this board. I don't know that I saw much "meat on the bone" from him, but I get why people are excited to see him healthy.
 

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You’re hunting for k9 arguments too much. There was definitely enough meat on the bone his rookie year to be able to state that he didn’t “have a good season.”

Although he was active his entire rookie season, he missed much of the pre-season recovering from a knee injury. You just can't ignore this when evaluating his rookie season.
 

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You’re hunting for k9 arguments too much. There was definitely enough meat on the bone his rookie year to be able to state that he didn’t “have a good season.”
Do not argue against that.

But he cannot be injured AND unable to contribute when on the field at the same time.
 

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11 – I still have hopes for B.J. Ojulari. He had really, really good moments in the second half of the 2023-season. If his body and athleticism are back to that shape, there’s no reason that he cannot be developed into a strong contributor.

He had a good rookie season

I don't understand why it's controversial to dispute any of this. He had 2 sacks on Taylor Heinke against Atlanta and won a 1:1 against Pittsburgh.

Many people suggesting that Beej's rookie season was derailed by injury actually supports my argument that his rookie year was not good. Garrett Williams and Paris Johnson Junior had good rookie seasons. We can be honest with each other and say Beej maybe made the most of limited opportunities or progressed in his rookie season, but hard to justify a blanket he did great.

Also, preseason hype about Beej when he got injured in the first group of contact sessions is not evidence of anything at all.
 

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But he cannot be injured AND unable to contribute when on the field at the same time.
Yes you can. You can be injured and then, when you return, you can be unable to contribute on the field. These aren't mutually exclusive categories.

When you're on the field, you should be evaluated based on your quality as a player on the field (someone who's earned those reps).

Why is this hard?
 

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