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Does anyone really think we're winning it all this year?

Maybe not winning it all, but I certainly believe that the Cards can be very competitive. I believe that the Cards goes where Kyler Murray goes, and I believe that Kyler Murray can be a top five, top seven quarterback in the league. And based on history, he should improve a lot from year two to year three.

Further, the defense should be better, and I just have this thought that Kingsbury must be a better playcaller than he has shown so far. It is simply strange to me that he has not impressed more with that.
 

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Maybe not winning it all, but I certainly believe that the Cards can be very competitive. I believe that the Cards goes where Kyler Murray goes, and I believe that Kyler Murray can be a top five, top seven quarterback in the league. And based on history, he should improve a lot from year two to year three.

Further, the defense should be better, and I just have this thought that Kingsbury must be a better playcaller than he has shown so far. It is simply strange to me that he has not impressed more with that.

I think so too. Murray is likely to improve more. He looks more like an NFL player, so you know he has been building his body.

Hopefully the interior line will hold up more this year so that Murray isn't trying to bail all of the time.

And I do agree, the defense should be better. JJ Watt is an underrated signing among the fanbase here. I think he will inject leadership into a defense that needed it and I think he will blow up blocking schemes.
 

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Naw what I see along with quite a few others on this board is that you guys just tend to jump on most moves the team makes and a clock is right twice a day....except in the Cardinals history if I pan every move I'm right more often than not.

Either way, we're all fans of the same team and frankly, this topic has been one that has raged on since this board was started and as I get older I realize it's kind of dumb....and I wonder why I got involved in it in the first place LOL

As far as your second response, I think some times you have to take some risk in pro sports and we also don't know how personalities and such fit in the locker room. JJ Watt and Malcolm Butler are two vets I would bet will have a positive impact. I'm a bit more leery on Green and Conner, but I see the logic in bringing both in.
Go back and read comments before you paint with such a broad brush. Speaking for myself, I was positive about JJ and Butler signings. Connor is a good enough signing but not great. I think AJ is likely a poor signing. But overall I’m skeptical of signing so many aging/injured players as a strategy. And I think my outlook is fair, balanced, and reasonable - not this irrational darkside you claim it to be. It’s also consistent with how I’ve viewed everything cardinals throughout time. Unfortunately we’ve had bill, graves, a host of poor coaches making decisions so guess where the perspective lies (rightly so).

I could paint with a similar broad brush that you think everything is always great and every signing is going to be an all pro and that your broken clock has been right once in a few years. But I know only cub really falls into that category.
 

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I think so too. Murray is likely to improve more. He looks more like an NFL player, so you know he has been building his body.

Hopefully the interior line will hold up more this year so that Murray isn't trying to bail all of the time.

And I do agree, the defense should be better. JJ Watt is an underrated signing among the fanbase here. I think he will inject leadership into a defense that needed it and I think he will blow up blocking schemes.
Why do you think watt is a underrated signing? If you read the thread it was largely lauded as a single signing.
 

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Why do you think watt is a underrated signing? If you read the thread it was largely lauded as a single signing.
I think he is going to have a pretty good impact; I think he's going to be the best defensive signing the Cardinals have had in years.

I expect the front seven to be a menace to nearly every team the Cardinals face this year.

Simmons - Collins
Jones- Watt - Fotu - Philips - Golden

That's some athletic ability (Watt, Simmons, and Collins), Size ( Fotu, Philips, and Collins), and pass rush ability (Jones, Watt, Golden, and Philips)

Take out Watt and insert Allen and it's a much lesser group. Cardinals fans are sleeping on his potential impact. I think he's going to turn the front seven into a force.
 

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I think he is going to have a pretty good impact; I think he's going to be the best defensive signing the Cardinals have had in years.

I expect the front seven to be a menace to nearly every team the Cardinals face this year.

Simmons - Collins
Jones- Watt - Fotu - Philips - Golden

That's some athletic ability (Watt, Simmons, and Collins), Size ( Fotu, Philips, and Collins), and pass rush ability (Jones, Watt, Golden, and Philips)

Take out Watt and insert Allen and it's a much lesser group. Cardinals fans are sleeping on his potential impact. I think he's going to turn the front seven into a force.
Hmm I disagree on the sleeping part. I think almost everyone here would agree with you if watt is healthy and the young guys produce.
 

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Hmm I disagree on the sleeping part. I think almost everyone here would agree with you if watt is healthy and the young guys produce.
A greatly improved front seven changes the calculus quite a bit for this team....I think some of the posters on here aren't considering how much it could.

I think this years Cardinals are hard to pin down because there are so many variables like injuries to account for.
 
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Go back and read comments before you paint with such a broad brush. Speaking for myself, I was positive about JJ and Butler signings. Connor is a good enough signing but not great. I think AJ is likely a poor signing. But overall I’m skeptical of signing so many aging/injured players as a strategy. And I think my outlook is fair, balanced, and reasonable - not this irrational darkside you claim it to be. It’s also consistent with how I’ve viewed everything cardinals throughout time. Unfortunately we’ve had bill, graves, a host of poor coaches making decisions so guess where the perspective lies (rightly so).

I could paint with a similar broad brush that you think everything is always great and every signing is going to be an all pro and that your broken clock has been right once in a few years. But I know only cub really falls into that category.

What did I do? Lol. I'm not even in this convo. :)
 
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