Lets all break down the draft, starting with the Bengals. (no trades)

[Chopper0080]

In order to come to a general understanding of the draft, lets all pan our collective intelligence (some more than others, hahaha) and figure this thing out. Just one pick at a time.

#1-Bengals: Terrance Newman-CB

Everyone wants to say Carson Palmer, but with two first round picks, the lingering ghosts of Klinger and Akili Smith, and depth at the QB position, I say that they fill their holoe at CB. Terrance Newman fills the Bengals need for speed in the secondary and gives them another potential kickoff return weapon. They passed on Phillip Buchanon last year but won't let a possible shut-down corner slip through their finger again.

Krang, Skorp, Russ, Ed, Stout, anybody?

 

[Chopper0080]

oh yeah, Bengals needs:

CB
DE
DT
QB
Interior OL

 

[Chopper0080]

If you all think that this is a waste of time, just give me a nice pleasant F*%K OFF. It's cool.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

You forgot

WR

The Bengals have one legit WR in Chad Johnson. After that...Warrick is too small and Dugans isn't very good.

It wouldn't suprise me to see the Bengals go with Charles Rogers.

 

[Chopper0080]

Ok Chris says Charles Rogers, though I disagree since Peter Warrick has started to come on as a good number 2. Also, what need is greater than CB for the Bengals? I mean Kitna is a better corner than some of the guys playing corner on thier roster.


We OFFICIALLY have:

Charles Rogers-WR: 1
Terrance Newman-CB: 1

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Uhh...

Peter Warrick as a #2??

He was benched halfway through the season last year. He doesn't start for them anymore. Dugans is the #2.

In fact, Johnson was elevated to the starting job over Warrick, who went straight to slot duty. He doesn't have the size or toughness to do anything but the slot.

He probably would star in a run and shoot, but the Bengals grind it out offense requires big receivers who can block.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

You know I am a fantasy football geek

When I know the #2 receiver on the Bengals...lol.

Chad Johnson was a huge waiver wire pickup for me though.

 

[Chopper0080]

Oh, I'm there with you. I got him and Travis Taylor near the middle of the year when my receivers crapped out and they took me on to win the Super Bowl. (though to be honest I had Manning at QB, Ricky Williams and Clinton Portis as my backs and Todd Heap as my TE. Jimmy Smith also.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Bengals- Terrell Suggs
Newman, imo, is not a true shutdown corner. He is very small and not worthy of a number one overall. Suggs on the other hand, might just be. He is tremendously quick, tenacious, and a character guy. The only guy, imo, worthy of the top spot if you AREN'T taking a Qb. He will be one of the better defenders in the NFL for the next decade. He will give the Bengals a great pass rush from the edge with Justin Smith.

Detroit Lions- Charles Rogers
Hometown guy, the Lions need to give Harrington more to work with, and they aren't that far on defense.

Texans- Andre Johnson
He has the potential to be dynamite, and the Texans are worse than us offensively.

Bears- Carson Palmer
A shocker to Jerry Angelo, and a sad day for the loser Kordell....now he will actually have to compete.

Dallas- Byron Leftwich
Another shocker. Dallas gets their REAL Qb of the future.

Cardinals- Terrance Newman
Cards need defenders badly, and though I think he isn't that great we will take him....bad pick imo, but that is the Cardinal way.....I would've liked Robertson better.

 

[SweetD]

I had K.Warner and D.Boston last year , but I picked up Vick with my very last pick

 

[stretchthefield]

Cinncinatti pick

Bengals pick - Carson Palmer

He will learn for a year behind Kitna, battle for (and win) the starting job next year.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Arizona trades first and third round to Cincy for their #1.

1 Cards-Carson Palmer-Best QB in the draft and arguably the best player. Sits for a year or 2 to learn and is the franchise player to build around


2 Detroit- WR Charles Rogers, Michigan St.

3) Houston- DE Terrell Suggs ASU.

4) Chicago- CB Terrance Newman Kansan St.

5) Dallas- QB Byron Leftwich Marshall.

6) Cincinnati- DT Jimmy Kennedy, Penn St.


I know no one will agree with this one!!!!

 

[Mrospi]

Bengals- Leftwich, still searching for the QB of the future and better than their current guys.

Lions- Rogers..... Homer pick for them but gives Harrington someone to play catch with during the season.

Texans- Andre Johnson.....next best WR to play catch with Carr........Giving the Franchise QB a target.

Bears- Carson Palmer.........Can't pass on him here.... but will be the next great flop to be spoken about like Cade McNown....The Bears will never pick another PAC 10 QB!!!!

Dallas- Kennedy.............Parcells goes defense here and makes an error he will regret for years to come.....

Arizona- T Suggs..........a definite homer pick but the right one....He will have a better season than Freeney did for the Colts and be a terror on the field......

Ok guys have at it

 

[General Chaos]

1. CIN- Newman: Marvin Lewis covets a shut down corner
2. DET-Rogers: Obvious choice
3. HOU-Gross: Carr says "yes please."
4. CHI-Kennedy: They need a run stuffing DT
5. DAL-Suggs: The new LT
6. AZ- Andre Johnson: Superior talent to be combined with a great teacher in Sullivan. He's not as raw as you guys may think. He has been the go-to guy two season in a row down in Miami.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
Arizona trades first and third round to Cincy for their #1.

1 Cards-Carson Palmer-Best QB in the draft and arguably the best player. Sits for a year or 2 to learn and is the franchise player to build around


2 Detroit- WR Charles Rogers, Michigan St.

3) Houston- DE Terrell Suggs ASU.

4) Chicago- CB Terrance Newman Kansan St.

5) Dallas- QB Byron Leftwich Marshall.

6) Cincinnati- DT Jimmy Kennedy, Penn St.


I know no one will agree with this one!!!!

Boy you got that right!

This guy is an anamoly sorry I just have no faith in a QB that has had countem one good season in division one and had superior talent all around him!

Leftwhich will be a better QB than Palmer if Palmer is even in football in 5 years!

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
Arizona trades first and third round to Cincy for their #1.

1 Cards-Carson Palmer-Best QB in the draft and arguably the best player. Sits for a year or 2 to learn and is the franchise player to build around


2 Detroit- WR Charles Rogers, Michigan St.

3) Houston- DE Terrell Suggs ASU.

4) Chicago- CB Terrance Newman Kansan St.

5) Dallas- QB Byron Leftwich Marshall.

6) Cincinnati- DT Jimmy Kennedy, Penn St.


I know no one will agree with this one!!!!

I do. They way things are playing out, Graves is starting to look like the real deal. The only problem I have with your scenario it that the Bengals will want quite a bit more in exchange. I say it would take our number three this year and our number two next year at least - and I'd still do it, but only if we took Palmer or Suggs.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by Shane H
Boy you got that right!

This guy is an anamoly sorry I just have no faith in a QB that has had countem one good season in division one and had superior talent all around him!

Leftwhich will be a better QB than Palmer if Palmer is even in football in 5 years!

No one does Shane. But in just reading about him, watching him play a fewtimes, its hard not to be impressed. There are a lot of factors that go into the success of a QB, and maybe it just didint click until his senior year.

Plus I take exception with him having 'superior' talent. Fcat is in 2000 they had a horrendous defense that gave up an avergae of 30 points a game while going 5-6, and in 2001 they were 6-5 (granted he didint play very well in 2001). My point is he has the size 6'5 220, and skills to be a good QB in the NFL...

I do agree however Leftwich is the man I would want them to draft. He just seems to be a winner (with skills) and there si something I like about his game.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by red desert
I do. They way things are playing out, Graves is starting to look like the real deal. The only problem I have with your scenario it that the Bengals will want quite a bit more in exchange. I say it would take our number three this year and our number two next year at least - and I'd still do it, but only if we took Palmer or Suggs.

I dont know, if Cincy really wants out of the top pick i think a 1st and 3rd might do it come draft day at the last second. I think they want Suggs and will take him if they are forced to stay at #1. Plus I cant imagine Lewis picking anyone other than defense with his first pick.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
No one does Shane. But in just reading about him, watching him play a fewtimes, its hard not to be impressed. There are a lot of factors that go into the success of a QB, and maybe it just didint click until his senior year.

Plus I take exception with him having 'superior' talent. Fcat is in 2000 they had a horrendous defense that gave up an avergae of 30 points a game while going 5-6, and in 2001 they were 6-5 (granted he didint play very well in 2001). My point is he has the size 6'5 220, and skills to be a good QB in the NFL...

I do agree however Leftwich is the man I would want them to draft. He just seems to be a winner (with skills) and there si something I like about his game.

I agree he has the size and maybe the skill but we all know where that will get ya aka Ryan Leaf.

When I said superior talent I meant this last season on the offensive side of the ball. The guys players around him were extremely good and very fast! Both RB and WR!

I would just be VERY leary of this guy. Im glad you like Lefty

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by Shane H
I agree he has the size and maybe the skill but we all know where that will get ya aka Ryan Leaf.

When I said superior talent I meant this last season on the offensive side of the ball. The guys players around him were extremely good and very fast! Both RB and WR!

I would just be VERY leary of this guy. Im glad you like Lefty

Oh if I could have it my way-which i never can-I would sit right where they are now and draft Leftwich. I just think it is a possibility Grave and CO will try to move up....but I have learned long ago that the draft is too unpredicatable until the last few weeks leading up to it. Then you get an idea of who is drafting who

 

[Big_Red_One]

Bengals take........................
Terrance Newman, CB, K-state.

The Bengal’s always do their research, and will not gamble on another first round QB (Palmer one year wonder? or Leftwich injury). Best player that fit a need for the Bengals, which came down to Terrance Newman and Charlie Rogers. On the Bengals web site (which is quite is good) they constantly talk about quality players. I know some people do not like numbers, but Newman's performance at the combine and just the fact he even worked out at all....

 

[Cardiac]

Originally posted by Shane H
I agree he has the size and maybe the skill but we all know where that will get ya aka Ryan Leaf.

When I said superior talent I meant this last season on the offensive side of the ball. The guys players around him were extremely good and very fast! Both RB and WR!

I would just be VERY leary of this guy. Im glad you like Lefty

Ryan Leaf's name keeps getting thrown out there as why not to draft a QB early. If you remember there were concerns about his maturity before the draft. It was his lack of maturity that caused him to fail in the NFL. Okay maturity and being a headcase. I have not heard any such issues about Palmer and so the two just shouldn't be compared.

I'm not advocating the Cards trade up for Palmer or even draft him if he falls to us at the 6 slot, especailly if Suggs is available as well. But one just can't compare him to Leaf, he was not untalented, rather simply a nut job.

 

[Cardiac]

Bengals - Palmer
They believe the 3rd times a charm and take their QB of the future. He is not Akili Smith because he has started for more than 1 year in college. One can actually see his growth as a player. He has a great arm and throws a beautiful ball. Palmer is also doing his homework this offseason (unlike Leaf), he has visited NFL films to break down films with Jaws (article was in Sporting News).

Lions - Rogers

Most of us agree on this one. They just have to give Harrington a target so he can grow as a QB.

Texans - Suggs

I think they will try to trade out of this spot, if there are no takers they have to go best athlete available. Suggs can work as a LB in the 3-4 or as a pass rush specialist. He very well may grow into a legit RDE in this scheme as well. The Texans have extra picks to address their O-line, WR, RB issues in the later rounds.

Bears - Kennedy

I think they should take Leftwich, he is a perfect fit for them but they seem to shun QB's in rd 1. They love having a strong D and Kennedy fits a need with a quality pick.

Cowboys - Newman

Their D is solid except at the CB position. Although Parcells has taken a number of postions in rd 1 of the draft I don't think he is looking long term to build this team. So they pass on the QB position until later rds and go impact in rd 1. This is a team that may very well trade up or down in this draft (they have a big history of this). Don't be suprised if they go after Griese if he when he becomes available in June.

Cards - Leftwich

I would prefer Suggs or Robertson but a team can't pass on a franchise QB. The Cards have been very busy filling holes on this squad in FA so that if the draft falls this way they can take a difference maker like Leftwich. Blake will be solid as our starter for a couple of seasons and McCown may be the answer but while gamble at the most important position on a team. Since Boller (sp?) has proven to be a x-factor in this draft a team like the Panthers or Ravens may not be willing to trade up for a QB. There is a ton of depth at QB this year and teams won't want to sacrifice picks for a QB when a good to great one should fall to them anyway.

The Cards won't ( I Hope) pick a WR in rd 1 and probably not in rd 2. We have far too much existing potential at WR then the D-line and CB positions. If the Cards pick up a vet FA WR like Conway then the door closes on them taking a WR early in the draft. Sully and Co. will wait until later in the draft to take that diamond in the rough at this position. Just too many needs on the D and a lot of faith in themselves to develop WR's.