Week 16 Arizona Cardinals off season thread. 4/24/23-4/30/23

[Krangodnzr]

Wouldn't be a fan of this. This team needs to trade down and accumulate picks for this year and next in the worst way. So many holes on this roster. I'm still confident a trade down opportunity that makes sense will emerge on draft day.

As much as I'm not a fan of the pick there, I'm a fan of the Cardinals building a better OL.

 

[oaken1]

Could, might, may, its possible all = ********

 

[bankybruce]

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[Dayman]

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The whole post is worth a read.

 

[BritCard]

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Is this not super transparent?

A few days ago the rumor was some other teams were interested in trading up to 3 for OL. Then suddenly the Cards might stay at 3 for Johnson? And Kyler want's Johnson too.

Seems like a ploy no?

 

[Totally_Red]

Is this not super transparent?

A few days ago the rumor was some other teams were interested in trading up to 3 for OL. Then suddenly the Cards might stay at 3 for Johnson? And Kyler want's Johnson too.

Seems like a ploy no?

Yes. But it is also believable.

 

[BritCard]

Yes. But it is also believable.

It's certainly very Cardinals.

Johnson isn't even consensus OT1. Skoronski still beats him out by 1 spot.

 

[Stout]

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...Thus proving why you were a garbage GM, Steve! Cover your ass over making the team better. Mm hm.

 

[BritCard]

It's certainly very Cardinals.

Johnson isn't even consensus OT1. Skoronski still beats him out by 1 spot.

I should clarify I do like Paris Johnson and he may well be the better scheme fit as an outside/wide zone run blocker (although Skoronski is great in this regard too) which I would expect to come over from the Browns. And it probably makes sense as he could start at left guard until we move on from Hump. Which will be as soon as he has a down year.

I just feel it would be a reach at #3 when the run on OT won't start until #7 earliest and probably not #9.

Duke Manyweather has had both these guys working out with him and he raves about Skoronski.

 

[TheCardFan]

It's certainly very Cardinals.

Johnson isn't even consensus OT1. Skoronski still beats him out by 1 spot.

I dont't think Skorinski is a T but Paris Johnson will love our new uniforms.

 

[Stout]

I dont't think Skorinski is a T but Paris Johnson will love our new uniforms.

Which is why I can't stand 'em.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I should clarify I do like Paris Johnson and he may well be the better scheme fit as an outside/wide zone run blocker (although Skoronski is great in this regard too) which I would expect to come over from the Browns. And it probably makes sense as he could start at left guard until we move on from Hump. Which will be as soon as he has a down year.

I just feel it would be a reach at #3 when the run on OT won't start until #7 earliest and probably not #9.

Duke Manyweather has had both these guys working out with him and he raves about Skoronski.

I look at players in tiers and then I look at them by positions of importance.

In this draft Johnson, is among the 12 or so agreeable players that the Cardinals could walk away from round one with. So I disagree he's a reach.

I'd rather get him on a trade down, but let's say Anderson is gone and no one will trade up for three. I'd consider him.

 

[BritCard]

I look at players in tiers and then I look at them by positions of importance.

In this draft Johnson, is among the 12 or so agreeable players that the Cardinals could walk away from round one with. So I disagree he's a reach.

I'd rather get him on a trade down, but let's say Anderson is gone and no one will trade up for three. I'd consider him.

Yeah if you're absolutely stuck at #3 and Anderson is gone then sure. He's a great prospect.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

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[Krangodnzr]

Yeah if you're absolutely stuck at #3 and Anderson is gone then sure. He's a great prospect.

What sucks is that next year's OL class has Joe Alt from ND who is going to be way better than any OL in this class.

 

[imaCafan]

What sucks is that next year's OL class has Joe Alt from ND who is going to be way better than any OL in this class.

Not to worry. Cards will be in a position to draft him next year....or anyone else they want at the top of the draft.

 

[Krangodnzr]

@Stout Fashanu from Penn State looks like he's going to be a great one too.

 

[Chopper0080]

That's how I see it. There's a bunch of players fairly evenly grouped for me.

I'd move down to 11 for 4+ picks. Maybe even three.

This team definitely has a different building philosophy than I do so I expect to be disappointed come draft day. For me it is still Will Anderson or trade down. Tricky part is waiting to trade the pick until draft day is risky.

 

[Chopper0080]

@Stout Fashanu from Penn State looks like he's going to be a great one too.

I really like him.

 

[Krangodnzr]

This team definitely has a different building philosophy than I do so I expect to be disappointed come draft day. For me it is still Will Anderson or trade down. Tricky part is waiting to trade the pick until draft day is risky.

I do agree, but I don't think I could turn down high 2024 picks.

 

[Stout]

@Stout Fashanu from Penn State looks like he's going to be a great one too.

I really wish I had watched some games this year. I don't know much about the Penn State players heading into the draft, sadly. I just know no thanks to Porter in the 1st round.

 

[Chopper0080]

I haven't really spent a ton of time on it, but my top 10 is probably...

1 - Will Anderson
2 - Broderick Jones
3 - Peter Skoronski
4 - Christian Gonzalez
5 - Devon Witherspoon
6 - Jalen Carter
7 - Tyree Wilson
8 - Lukas Van Ness
9 - Bijan Robinson (I don't really know at this point)
10 - Darnell Wright / Paris Johnson

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I haven't really spent a ton of time on it, but my top 10 is probably...

1 - Will Anderson
2 - Broderick Jones
3 - Peter Skoronski
4 - Christian Gonzalez
5 - Devon Witherspoon
6 - Jalen Carter
7 - Tyree Wilson
8 - Lukas Van Ness
9 - Bijan Robinson (I don't really know at this point)
10 - Darnell Wright / Paris Johnson

I don't know if Robinson is on the radar or even the answer, but in my mind I've never been able to forget what Sean Peyton said about Kyler...that he needs a strong running game and someone he can hand the ball off to, to take the pressure off, so that everyone isn't just watching him run around and trying to be Superman on the field. To me, that was probably the most honest and authentic assessment of Murray and the failure of the previous offense.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't know if Robinson is on the radar or even the answer, but in my mind I've never been able to forget what Sean Peyton said about Kyler...that he needs a strong running game and someone he can hand the ball off to, to take the pressure off, so that everyone isn't just watching him run around and trying to be Superman on the field. To me, that was probably the most honest and authentic assessment of Murray and the failure of the previous offense.

I add Bijan in because his talent/position are a great tier break for me when looking at available players. When I would rather take Bijan over the best available OL, CB, EDGE, DT it clarifies the board for me. Trying to avoid that range would be key.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

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