Marvin Lewis for DC

[Syracusecards]

If Vance gets a HC job somewhere, which I think he will, I would push hard to get Marvin Lewis as our DC. He was the DC for the Ravens when their D was amazing and he’s got head coaching experience for Kliff to lean on. He’s known as a good teacher, well respected around the league, and his players loved him. Pay whatever he wants and get him in here.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

How about Flores?

 

[bankybruce]

How about Flores?

He'll be the Bears next coach.

 

[juza76]

This is one of the few cases i would keep Vance Joseph

 

[dreamcastrocks]

How about Flores?

No way Flores takes DC gig this cycle. He gets a head coaching one unless he decides to sit out for a couple years or more from the NFL.

 

[bankybruce]

He's 63 and has a cushy job in Tempe already. He's not leaving.

 

[reebokalone2001]

He'll be the Bears next coach.

And it seems his personality won't mesh well with Keim & Bidwill, not a yes man.

 

[HairZach]

He's 63 and has a cushy job in Tempe already. He's not leaving.

Pete Carroll is 70. Lewis might still have some juice left in the tank.

 

[BigCardsFan]

all we need is a defense full of elite players like the the 2000 Ravens and he can be good here too

 

[BritCard]

Marvin Lewis ran a 4-3 base at the Bengals for the last decade.

The only man for the job would Vic Fangio. Plays a similar system to Vance and he's a proven great DC that gets the best out of players.

 

[Stout]

Marvin Lewis ran a 4-3 base at the Bengals for the last decade.

The only man for the job would Vic Fangio. Plays a similar system to Vance and he's a proven great DC that gets the best out of players.

Do not want a similar "bend but eventually break" defense like VJ's.

 

[BritCard]

Do not want a similar "bend but eventually break" defense like VJ's.

That's ok then, because it isn't.

FYI, everyone criticizing Vance's scheme looks a bit silly to me. It's a top 10 defense in many areas, especially when at full strength. I don't care if he achieves that by having the defense run around wearing clown masks while singing yankee doodle dandy.

Would you prefer aggressive but breaks frequently?

 

[Stout]

That's ok then, because it isn't.

FYI, everyone criticizing Vance's scheme looks a bit silly to me. It's a top 10 defense in many areas, especially when at full strength. I don't care if he achieves that by having the defense run around wearing clown masks while singing yankee doodle dandy.

Would you prefer aggressive but breaks frequently?

I'd prefer aggressive and effective. I wouldn't mind his passive approach if he showed the slightest flexibility in philosophy. It just doesn't always work, similar to how a hyper-aggressive defensive philosophy doesn't always work and needs flexibility. There are times you MUST get aggressive; he just doesn't call the game that way even when it's needed. Tell me that 3-man pass rush against Russell Wilson on a 3rd and 8 was smart or looked in any way good.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I'd prefer aggressive and effective. I wouldn't mind his passive approach if he showed the slightest flexibility in philosophy. It just doesn't always work, similar to how a hyper-aggressive defensive philosophy doesn't always work and needs flexibility. There are times you MUST get aggressive; he just doesn't call the game that way even when it's needed. Tell me that 3-man pass rush against Russell Wilson on a 3rd and 8 was smart or looked in any way good.

Wasn't there another one on like a 3rd and 17 or 18 where they completed as well?

 

[Krangodnzr]

I'd prefer aggressive and effective. I wouldn't mind his passive approach if he showed the slightest flexibility in philosophy. It just doesn't always work, similar to how a hyper-aggressive defensive philosophy doesn't always work and needs flexibility. There are times you MUST get aggressive; he just doesn't call the game that way even when it's needed. Tell me that 3-man pass rush against Russell Wilson on a 3rd and 8 was smart or looked in any way good.

Fangio runs an attacking 3-4 scheme. He's a top 3 DC in the NFL.

The only guy I'd want over Fangio would be Todd Bowles, and even then, it's pretty close on who is better.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Do not want a similar "bend but eventually break" defense like VJ's.

The only similarity is that they are both 3-4 guys really. Fangio's defense has been called pretty easy to learn from any of the players I've ever seen comment.

VJ's defense is a more complex version of Wade Philips.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

That's ok then, because it isn't.

FYI, everyone criticizing Vance's scheme looks a bit silly to me. It's a top 10 defense in many areas, especially when at full strength. I don't care if he achieves that by having the defense run around wearing clown masks while singing yankee doodle dandy.

Would you prefer aggressive but breaks frequently?

My problem with Vance and the defense? It is clear that the inside linebacker position is the hardest one to pick up to the complexity, yet they essentially waste (or maybe redshirt is a better term) the past 2 1st round picks when you NEED 1st rounders to be successful and have an immediate impact. If they aren't going to trust these players to go out there and make plays and live with the rookie mistakes, draft another position and play veterans.

 

[BritCard]

I'd prefer aggressive and effective. I wouldn't mind his passive approach if he showed the slightest flexibility in philosophy. It just doesn't always work, similar to how a hyper-aggressive defensive philosophy doesn't always work and needs flexibility. There are times you MUST get aggressive; he just doesn't call the game that way even when it's needed. Tell me that 3-man pass rush against Russell Wilson on a 3rd and 8 was smart or looked in any way good.

We are one of the highest blitz teams in the league. We are the only team in the league that runs a 0-6-5. They move Jalen, Budda and Simmons all over the place. It's highly flexible.

All this comes from him not playing a tonne of man coverage. Like ALL of it. That's how the league is going. All teams run far more zone than man.

That zone scheme gave us 7th best in air yards per game. Joint 12th in yards per attempt (was top 10 until injuries hit), 25th in passing TDs allowed and 10th best 3rd down conversion rate allowed.

All these would have been higher had we not lost Alford and Wilson.

The defense has been good this year.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I was liking Marvin for the HC job when KK was hired. He did a great job in Cincy while working for the worst owner in the league. His only negative was that he couldn't get a playoff win. But, he was there quite a bit.