Steven Nelson Free to Seek Trade

[bankybruce]

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Would you throw a 2nd for a 28 year old CB who was ranked 11th since 2019? His base salary is 8.5 million and if you extend him, you could lower that this year.

 

[Stout]

Yes! They love him here, and I have no doubt talk radio around here is in meltdown over it. Can't wait to drive home today

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I'd feel better with at least one experienced corner coming in by free agency or trade rather than relying on the draft.

 

[Shane]

Yes

 

[football karma]

last year of his contract in 2021 for $8.5mm or so

 

[Proteus]

Please make this trade happen, Keim!

 

[Harry]

The nice thing is his contract is well positioned for an extension. This works if Nelson is flexible.

 

[Harry]

The nice thing is his contract is well positioned for an extension. This works if Nelson is flexible.

 

[PJ1]

In a heartbeat.

 

[Redsz]

Yes!

 

[Syracusecards]

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Would you throw a 2nd for a 28 year old CB who was ranked 11th since 2019? His base salary is 8.5 million and if you extend him, you could lower that this year.

As much as I love watching the draft, I’d rather have a known commodity at CB.

 

[Dback Jon]

yes please

 

[juza76]

No thanks

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

Sign or trade for a veteran (Nelson would be a good trade) then draft the best one at #16. We need our future at the CB position to start learning the NFL game asap & what better way than to learn from a veteran. Alford could give insight as well, just not advice on how to get paid for 2 years without playing lol.

 

[CT CARDSFAN]

I would definitely give up a second for Nelson. Move down in the first and gain a 2nd or 3rd. At the later end of the 1st take Zaven Collins, release Hicks post June 1st. Also release Kennard post June 1st; gives the Cardinals about 13 million to spend on another corner, draft picks and maybe more. Johnathan Joseph can also be a good mentor for a young corner.
Collins has all the qualities to become an incredible ILB.

 

[juza76]

We don't have picks to trade for
Then the roster and salary cap need rookie contract and a long term solution

 

[Shane]

We don't have picks to trade for
Then the roster and salary cap need rookie contract and a long term solution

Does it though the Rams have been defying up theory for years

 

[BigDavis75]

It sounded like he was getting cut if they couldn’t find a trade partner, a second seems quite high considering that.

 

[oaken1]

It sounded like he was getting cut if they couldn’t find a trade partner, a second seems quite high considering that.

So make it next year’s second

 

[Shane]

It sounded like he was getting cut if they couldn’t find a trade partner, a second seems quite high considering that.

That is such a faulty argument. Based on that we wouldn’t have our C

 

[QuebecCard]

A thought:

Cards flip draft selection #16 (1000pts) for Pitts #24 (740pts) and Nelson.

The 260pt difference gives Nelson a 3rd grade in this transaction.

 

[BigDavis75]

That is such a faulty argument. Based on that we wouldn’t have our C

Even if you consider the situation identical to Hudson a second is significantly more compensation than a 3rd for a 7th.

Hudson was also the best option in that center market by a mile. Fuller and Jackson are similar options to Nelson and wouldn’t cost us a pick. We are so pick strapped right now I don’t understand why posters are dying to give away our second rounder.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Even if you consider the situation identical to Hudson a second is significantly more compensation than a 3rd for a 7th.

Hudson was also the best option in that center market by a mile. Fuller and Jackson are similar options to Nelson and wouldn’t cost us a pick. We are so pick strapped right now I don’t understand why posters are dying to give away our second rounder.

It’s about a talent accumulation at positions of need. Having picks for picks sake is meaningless generally, and even moreso with Keim’s drafting record. Trading the picks for established players has multiple benefits:

1. it ensures you fill a need - there’s no guarantee that a player worthy of the draft selection is available at a position of need;
2. Keim’s drafting acumen, or lack thereof, lowers the value of draft picks from a practical perspective;
3. A veteran acquired via trade at a somewhat established and known commodity - are they beyond busting? No. But their ability at the pro level has already been evidenced, it’s just a matter of making sure fit and opportunity match their abilities. Draft picks are a largely unknown quantity at the nfl level.

now that’s not to say I don’t recognize the downsides:

1. age is a factor - if you’re trying to fill important positions with trades you’re going to be turning over those positions more frequently because you don’t have the luxury of having them did their entire career.
2. Cost - trades for vets are more expensive against the cap as you lose the luxury of rookie contracts. This constricts your ability to stack more talent.
3. Warts - just as you have the benefit of already knowing these are nfl players, so are you also accepting warts. There’s usually very little hidden upside waiting to be unlocked in a trade as exists with the potential of draft picks, even later draft picks (for teams with gms other than keim).

overall it’s not the optimal way to build a team, it should just a smaller component of team building. But we have keim which means the most important option - the draft - is poor, and the secondary option - free agency - isn’t far behind for long-term team additions of talent. So it leaves a heavy dependence on his brilliance with trades.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

I'd feel better with at least one experienced corner coming in by free agency or trade rather than relying on the draft.

Robert Alford.

 

[juza76]

Robert Alford.

Yes for training camp he will give his contribution

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Yes for training camp he will give his contribution

veteran leadership in spades