What I Saw

[Proximo]

I was hoping PPF miscalculated his value...

I hope so, Our run blocking has not been good enough.

 

[don7031]

Why did the Cardinals inexplicably go to KeeSean Johnson in the 4th quarter?

Was it Murray?

Was it the play calling?

Was it Kingsbury not telling Murray to quit targeting Johnson?

 

[AZman5103]

Through 3 weeks we have way way too many penalties, and a lot of turnovers. Those things are season killers

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

Why did the Cardinals inexplicably go to KeeSean Johnson in the 4th quarter?

Was it Murray?

Was it the play calling?

Was it Kingsbury not telling Murray to quit targeting Johnson?

Kingsbury chose to give Johnson all of the snaps even when he was horrible and other WRs were dominating.

 

[Garthshort]

JMO, but we lost for one reason (actually two):
1. We had three TO's.
2. We had zero takeaways.
And we lost at the buzzer.

 

[Jetstream Green]

We're an average team with a dynamic but young QB playing in the NFL's best division

 

[Arz101]

Kingsbury chose to give Johnson all of the snaps even when he was horrible and other WRs were dominating.

Keesean was primary receiver but Murray was not going through progressions. Kliff, Murray and Keesean to blame in that order.

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[Chopper0080]

Keesean was primary receiver but Murray was not going through progressions. Kliff, Murray and Keesean to blame in that order.

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lol...people out here acting like the QB doesn't dictate where the ball goes.

 

[Jetstream Green]

lol...people out here acting like the QB doesn't dictate where the ball goes.

This... thank you!

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

Keesean was primary receiver but Murray was not going through progressions. Kliff, Murray and Keesean to blame in that order.

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I fully agree.

 

[DVontel]

Man we need a ballhawk so damn man


Getting pissed of not getting INTs throughout multiple games

 

[Red on White]

Kingsbury chose to give Johnson all of the snaps even when he was horrible and other WRs were dominating.

It was what the opposition would least suspect

And me too

 

[Chopper0080]

Man we need a ballhawk so damn man


Getting pissed of not getting INTs throughout multiple games

Vance's defenses have up and down over his career. Again, he asks a lot of his guys in terms of funneling zone defense and playing a single high look. I think guys are so worried about where they need to be and getting to those spots that they don't read the QB.

 

[dscher]

Vance's defenses have up and down over his career. Again, he asks a lot of his guys in terms of funneling zone defense and playing a single high look. I think guys are so worried about where they need to be and getting to those spots that they don't read the QB.

This is why I'm immediately in favor of giving up a 6th round pick mid season for the inevitable firing of Dan Quinn to be our D Coordinator. lol.

 

[AZ Native]

The defense wasn’t the problem... if we don’t give the ball away three times our TOP goes up and Detroit doesn’t score 26 on us. Not to mention the points we lost due to the turnovers.
I would prefer to see our defense more aggressive but the simple fact is that our second year qb had a bad game and it cost us the win.
Growing pains.

I agree, but QBs have had a bad game like K1 did and still won the game with a good defense, which we don't have.

 

[Paso Fino]

Last week, some good gains were made with passes to Fitzgerald who looked as good as ever. This week, he seemed to be ignored.

 

[conraddobler]

Grasping defeat from the jaws of victory a Cardinal hallmark since forever. It's just one game but this was a GREAT chance to be three and 0 in a tough division and we just went backwards.

In this crazy day and age at least you can still count on something.

 

[AZ Native]

Tell Kyler...he is the one throwing the ball.

I did, but it went over his head.

 

[AZ Native]

Grasping defeat from the jaws of victory a Cardinal hallmark since forever. It's just one game but this was a GREAT chance to be three and 0 in a tough division and we just went backwards.

In this crazy day and age at least you can still count on something.

YEP!

 

[Dayman]

This secondary had plenty of fundamental issues last year, and Keim did nothing to fix them. He might have even made them worse.

• When you are starting Chris Banjo, a 30-year-old with 2 previous starts in his career, something is wrong. You shouldn't be one injury away from Chris Banjo being your last line of defense.

• The Baker contract has been discussed to death, but days like today show why it is so ridiculous. Kudos to the guy for playing through an injury, but that doesn't excuse him for being out of place so often. He has also now gone 51 consecutive games without a pick, which seems nearly impossible.
• It's probably time to officially worry about Murphy. He did make a big play at the end of the SF game, but his physical attributes are lacking, and his intelligence doesn't make up for those deficiencies nearly enough. He is the Christian Kirk of cornerbacks.
• Kirkpatrick is fine for a stop-gap, but relying on Alford at the start of the season was a big mistake. The whole Alford signing was a big mistake, which is what plenty of people have said from the start.
• Deonte Thompson was a bad pick. Just accept it and move on.

Facing Haskins and Jimmy G helped masked these problems, but Stafford was able to pick them apart. He won't be the only one, either.

 

[BritCard]

To be fair, the Lions ran out a bunch of multiple TE sets. Campbell can only cover 1 TE at a time.

the sky isn’t falling. The Lions were a trendy playoff pick to begin the season (somehow). They’re a better team than they’ve shown in their last 11 consecutive losses.

Kyler’s turnover avoidance regressed right back to the mean.

If only we have a 6'4" 240lb guy that runs a 4.4 and is good in coverage to put on the other linebacker. Oh wait...

 

[BritCard]

Firstly, there's too much shade on the defense in this thread. They weren't awesome but they limited 3 short fields to FG's. The simple fact is the offensive turnovers gave the defense a hell of a lot to do and limiting them to 23 points was a decent effort considering those turnovers.

On saying that there are some obvious issues.

• You could throw at Murphy every down and it would be money. They guy couldn't cover an old lady using a zimmer frame.
• No, Chandler Jones was not doubled or tripled "most of the time". He was never tripled, he was occasionally doubled. Most of the time he was 1 on 1. Vance still drops him back too much, but also he hasn't looked the same.
• P2 is never making the pro bowl again

Otherwise they did ok

The problem was the offense. There is/was quite a lot wrong and none of it was new, it was just hidden by playing bad/under strength teams.

• Kliff gets too fancy and doesn't adjust to the game. Inside runs were not working all night, yet he ran inside zones over and over for 3 yards. The Lions were keyed in on the underneath stuff but were easy money on downfield throws, but he continued with the screens and sweeps which just didn't work. We could have thrown to Nuk for 10 every single down.
• The O line cannot run block. Sweezy and Gaillard have been especially poor, so I'm not sure why Kliff keeps calling plays that run behind Sweezy and Gaillard.
• Why didn't Kliff run Kyler more? He had 3/4 runs all for decent yardage yet he ran 10+ times in the previous games. Why?
• Kyler had a bad game, way below his ability. But it did highlight issues in his game. He throws behind his man way too often. It cost us certain TD's by Isabella and Edmonds. Fortunately both drives still ended in TD's but still, it's a major issue and caused one of the INT's.
• We all knew this before but again this game highlighted it. Kyler does have big issues going through his reads and he keys in on a primary target too often while ignoring open guys. Nuk was WIDE open on the interception he forced into triple coverage and Isabella was open on a crucial 3rd down late in the game. It's not good enough.

It was a game we really could have won 30-13 quite easily. The Lions aren't good, we are a better team. Just too many bad offensive plays.

On the plus side, there's a tonne of film to study and correct. Hopefully we got all the bad crap out in one game and came get back to form next week.

 

[Garthshort]

Wow! With one loss KM has gone from a MVP candidate to someone we have to worry about. Wow!

 

[swagron]

Wow! With one loss KM has gone from a MVP candidate to someone we have to worry about. Wow!

Fanatics...he was never a MVP candidate to begin with.

 

[TRW]

The problem was the offense. There is/was quite a lot wrong and none of it was new, it was just hidden by playing bad/under strength teams.

• Kliff gets too fancy and doesn't adjust to the game. Inside runs were not working all night, yet he ran inside zones over and over for 3 yards. The Lions were keyed in on the underneath stuff but were easy money on downfield throws, but he continued with the screens and sweeps which just didn't work. We could have thrown to Nuk for 10 every single down.
• The O line cannot run block. Sweezy and Gaillard have been especially poor, so I'm not sure why Kliff keeps calling plays that run behind Sweezy and Gaillard.
• Why didn't Kliff run Kyler more? He had 3/4 runs all for decent yardage yet he ran 10+ times in the previous games. Why?
• Kyler had a bad game, way below his ability. But it did highlight issues in his game. He throws behind his man way too often. It cost us certain TD's by Isabella and Edmonds. Fortunately both drives still ended in TD's but still, it's a major issue and caused one of the INT's.
• We all knew this before but again this game highlighted it. Kyler does have big issues going through his reads and he keys in on a primary target too often while ignoring open guys. Nuk was WIDE open on the interception he forced into triple coverage and Isabella was open on a crucial 3rd down late in the game. It's not good enough.

It was a game we really could have won 30-13 quite easily. The Lions aren't good, we are a better team. Just too many bad offensive plays.

On the plus side, there's a tonne of film to study and correct. Hopefully we got all the bad crap out in one game and came get back to form next week.

Pretty much all of this.