Patrick Peterson. What is the future?

[Rohinaz]

Bottom line is All I can go by from PP is that he’s had a handful (maybe 4-5) games out of his last 12 he’s played like the “superstar” you make him out of be.

Whether it’s because of off the field issues, contract or whatever the reason #21 hasn’t been great. Imo he’s been slightly above average thru the time period of his last 12 games. In 2018 he was the same imo. That defense was atrocious & he was part of it.

Imo Pat is in his prime at 30 so I expect more, especially if he’s a great player. I expect more effort, I expect more production & I expect more positive results from him!!! At this point, there’s no way I’m signing him to a long term extension. I want to see him play better & earn what he wants. And no, I still don’t buy he’s “all in” with the Cardinals organization as of today.

Didn’t we hear from him this offseason, your going to get my best season yet? Didn’t I hear that last year too? I’m still waiting...Show me PP!!!

I would take Aeneas over him all day, everyday & not think twice about it!!!

2018 was a cluster for thr whole team. Switching to a 43 and playing alot of zone.

Anyway. I'm just not sure what you criteria is for success. We 1 zero catches allowed. That's about as good as is gets. Week 2, a couple short slants allowed.

Hes first 2 games are better than what we have seen from Ramsey, Gilmore and Sherman this season. So maybe expections need to be more realistic.

Aeneas played in a different NFL, qbs werent slinging the ball 60 times a game like Joe burrow did this week. They are both HOF players.

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[Cardsfaninlouky]

Michael Thomas is not a speed receiver.

It doesn't matter, he's an elite WR & Drew Brees is an elite passer. Time will tell on PP. I want him to play well trust me.

 

[cardpa]

Well, I agree that Belichek is smart but pinching gave us Chandler J. and he has since decided to pay top dollar to a CB - Gilmour.

I think it was more of a personality clash than Belichick thinking Jones was used up especially at his age. I suspect Brady leaving had to do with a growing conflict between him and BB.

 

[cardpa]

Well, this will probably be something I keep bringing up in any PP21 related thread for the rest of the season/offseason, but the free agent list is pretty trash... and we're going to need two.

Leaving that position open until the draft really paints us into a corner (pun not intended) too.

From everything I read here since I haven't seen any games is Dre K. is playing pretty solid. How has he rated out compared to PP?

 

[Solar7]

From everything I read here since I haven't seen any games is Dre K. is playing pretty solid. How has he rated out compared to PP?

He gave up a lot to McLaurin on Sunday...

 

[Finito]

Bottom line is All I can go by from PP is that he’s had a handful (maybe 4-5) games out of his last 12 he’s played like the “superstar” you make him out of be.

Whether it’s because of off the field issues, contract or whatever the reason #21 hasn’t been great. Imo he’s been slightly above average thru the time period of his last 12 games. In 2018 he was the same imo. That defense was atrocious & he was part of it.

Imo Pat is in his prime at 30 so I expect more, especially if he’s a great player. I expect more effort, I expect more production & I expect more positive results from him!!! At this point, there’s no way I’m signing him to a long term extension. I want to see him play better & earn what he wants. And no, I still don’t buy he’s “all in” with the Cardinals organization as of today.

Didn’t we hear from him this offseason, your going to get my best season yet? Didn’t I hear that last year too? I’m still waiting...Show me PP!!!

I would take Aeneas over him all day, everyday & not think twice about it!!!

this is what kills me about the Peterson haters.

it’s always run to Aeneas Williams. Just let that sink in. The ONLY comp they have for Peterson in 30 years of Arizona Cardinal football is another Hall Of Famer.

that alone lets you know the level of this dudes play.

Its painfully clear your feelings are in the way. He hurt you deep huh.

when a WR walks in here and just destroys us like Hopkins did to SF then get on here and complain about him.

I’ve said for awhile now. You don’t know what you got till it’s gone.

 

[cardpa]

He gave up a lot to McLaurin on Sunday...

McLarurin is WFT best WR, why didn't they put PP on him?

 

[DVontel]

McLarurin is WFT best WR, why didn't they put PP on him?

They did & he got beat repeatedly.

 

[cardpa]

They did & he got beat repeatedly.

So what you are saying is both CBs got beat like a drum by McLaurin. This could mean a big day for Golladay come Sunday.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Kingsbury has already said he instructed his defense to lay off in the second half to avoid injury. I don't know how much you can infer about PP21 from last week

 

[BigRedRage]

It’s a lost cause. People have no idea what there watching out there. Here’s a guy who’s given up 1 catch over 2 NFL games and people are saying he’s someone’s “bitch” now.

are you serious?

They bring personal feeling into it. Uuuuuh PED’s. Ok Someone made a mistake, you gonna let that go and move on or you gonna keep bringing it every chance you get. Kinda like a scorned girlfriend, well remember when you did that one thing!!

GET OVER IT.

1 catch 2 Games. That’s how freakishly good he’s been and how spoiled these guys are now that giving up 1 catch means he sucks.

I am reserving judgement until he covers a real WR. He was getting beat by Mclauren quite a bit but the QB sucks and didnt find it.

 

[Solar7]

McLarurin is WFT best WR, why didn't they put PP on him?

PP doesn't shadow the #1 in Vance Joseph's defensive scheme.

 

[jmt]

Why all the dislike for PP?

 

[Proximo]

Why all the dislike for PP?

Because not very long ago he was demanding a trade.

People are not too excited about the prospect of paying him big bucks when his performance as of late has been questionable and he is on the downside of his career.

 

[JeffGollin]

Good CB's are "gold." You don't even let even average guys leave without a fight.

I'd rather have to deal with an overpaid average corner than no corner at all.

 

[Finito]

Why all the dislike for PP?

It’s just how this place is.

 

[Finito]

Good CB's are "gold." You don't even let even average guys leave without a fight.

I'd rather have to deal with an overpaid average corner than no corner at all.

In 30+ years of Cardinal football Peterson and Aeneas are the only two legit shut down corners I’ve seen. 2 count em 2 in 30 years

don’t know what you got till it’s gone.

 

[TRW]

He has 14 more games to show he's "back" and how elite he still is, or not. After that, Keim has a huge decision to make. Over pay on a long term deal or FT?

 

[overseascardfan]

PP doesn't shadow the #1 in Vance Joseph's defensive scheme.

Isn't that the job of the #1 CB, guarding the best WR on other team? I would be for franchising PP especially if we can draft a shutdown CB to replace him after next year.

Depending on how much he is looking for, not sure you pay Top 5 money to a 31 year old CB long term. Now if he is willing to take a cap friendly deal where most of the money can be converted to signing bonus like we've been doing with all the other big contracts then I would be okay with a multi year deal.

 

[GuernseyCard]

They did & he got beat repeatedly.

PP21 did not line-up against McLaurin on every snap and slants are covered by both the trailing CB and someone in the middle; ergo: dual responsibility.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Isn't that the job of the #1 CB, guarding the best WR on other team? I would be for franchising PP especially if we can draft a shutdown CB to replace him after next year.

Depending on how much he is looking for, not sure you pay Top 5 money to a 31 year old CB long term. Now if he is willing to take a cap friendly deal where most of the money can be converted to signing bonus like we've been doing with all the other big contracts then I would be okay with a multi year deal.

Sherman has played one side of the field his whole career.

 

[Solar7]

Isn't that the job of the #1 CB, guarding the best WR on other team? I would be for franchising PP especially if we can draft a shutdown CB to replace him after next year.

Depending on how much he is looking for, not sure you pay Top 5 money to a 31 year old CB long term. Now if he is willing to take a cap friendly deal where most of the money can be converted to signing bonus like we've been doing with all the other big contracts then I would be okay with a multi year deal.

Not every #1 CB in the league shadows the other guy (look at Richard Sherman's entire career). I don't think this is an indictment of Patrick right now, just what Vance prefers doing.

I think it's awfully risky to think you can just "draft a shutdown CB" and count on that as a strategy. Jeff Okudah got abused this week and was the third overall pick, that many on this board were saying is "can't miss." And this team does not appear to be drafting that high. I think we have playoff aspirations, so that's talking about drafting a guy in the 20s to be our #1 CB in a year that the Cardinals should be aiming for a championship.

There's no way that risk is sensible to me. Even if we really, really like a rookie, there's no guarantee he falls to us.

 

[Krangodnzr]

PP21 did not line-up against McLaurin on every snap and slants are covered by both the trailing CB and someone in the middle; ergo: dual responsibility.

Yeah rewatching that play, Peterson had the outside leverage on the play. No way was that pattern just his responsibility. No one even helped him on that play.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Not every #1 CB in the league shadows the other guy (look at Richard Sherman's entire career). I don't think this is an indictment of Patrick right now, just what Vance prefers doing.

I think it's awfully risky to think you can just "draft a shutdown CB" and count on that as a strategy. Jeff Okudah got abused this week and was the third overall pick, that many on this board were saying is "can't miss." And this team does not appear to be drafting that high. I think we have playoff aspirations, so that's talking about drafting a guy in the 20s to be our #1 CB in a year that the Cardinals should be aiming for a championship.

There's no way that risk is sensible to me. Even if we really, really like a rookie, there's no guarantee he falls to us.

I agree. Draft a guy next year and tag Peterson. Let the new guy take over the year after.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...erback-caleb-farley-will-skip-college-season/

That's the guy to go after. Big, fast and physical.

 

[Solar7]

I agree. Draft a guy next year and tag Peterson. Let the new guy take over the year after.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...erback-caleb-farley-will-skip-college-season/

That's the guy to go after. Big, fast and physical.

This is another concern about the "draft a guy" crowd... we're going to be looking at some players that haven't taken a snap in nearly two years by the time we get to next season.