Deandre Ayton facing 25 game suspension

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

According to the tests (and all news of this thus far), he had nothing else besides the diuretic in his system. That's a fact. Are you disputing that?

Now, if you're saying, "He had a diuretic, he MUST have had something else even though the other tests came back negative!" Well, that is definitely conjecture. Maybe it's true, we don't know, because as far as we know there is no other definitive evidence he had anything else in his system.

No, I’m saying WE DON’T KNOW what he had in his system BECAUSE he took a masking agent. So you can’t say you know he didn’t have anything else in his system either, because if he does, it’s MASKED. You can say nothing else showed up in tests, but you cannot state as fact that he had nothing else bc it might be masked. That simple. That’s the reason you get suspended for a masking agent is it’s unclear whether you had something or not. If it was as easy to determine whether there was something or not by doing a later test, they’d just do a later test and either clear you or suspend you based on that. Because a masking agent makes it impossible to know one or the other, thus presumed guilt and punishment.

 

[BC867]

Semantics!

We lost his services for something that he did and that is all that matters.

He not only let down his teammates and the fans.

He let down potentially the best coach we've had in a long, long time!

And what could have been the beginning of a great season (remember
the first few weeks?) is now mediocre because of Ayton.

He also made a mockery of being the #1 pick, so he let down the NBA.

I hope that when he comes back he is humble and does not try to be
the voice of the Suns again. Being #1 pick has been overshadowed.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Semantics!

We lost his services for something that he did and that is all that matters.

He not only let down his teammates and the fans.

He let down potentially the best coach we've had in a long, long time!

And what could have been the beginning of a great season (remember
the first few weeks?) is now mediocre because of Ayton.

He also made a mockery of being the #1 pick, so he let down the NBA.

I hope that when he comes back he is humble and does not try to be
the voice of the Suns again. Being #1 pick has been overshadowed.

It’s not really semantics. But I get your point. Regardless he did something dumb that hurt everyone. Hope he recognizes this and it helps to mature him. Time for him to man-up.

 

[Bert]

How many more games?

I guess I could do the math in my head, but I dont want to hurt myself.

 

[AzStevenCal]

How many more games?

I guess I could do the math in my head, but I dont want to hurt myself.

I think our record is 8-9 which means Ayton has missed 16 games which leaves 9 left to go.

 

[Absolute Zero]

How many more games?

I guess I could do the math in my head, but I dont want to hurt myself.

Exactly, perhaps someone can calculate it and post the date/game where he is expected to return.

 

[Mainstreet]

Exactly, perhaps someone can calculate it and post the date/game where he is expected to return.

AzStevenCal did a pretty good job but I will try as well.

Ayton has missed 16 games due to suspension (Suns have played 17 games). So 25 (games suspended) less 16 equals 9 games remaining of suspension.

Ayton returns December 17th against the Clippers.

 

[elindholm]

Scenario: A magician is holding a prop behind a towel, so that the audience cannot see it.

Magician: There is nothing in my hand. If there were, you could see it.

Audience: All we can see is the towel, which is concealing whether there is anything in your hand.

Magician: I realize that the towel has concealing properties, but, for all you know, there is nothing in my hand.

That Guy: There is nothing in his hand. All we can see is the towel.

Audience: The towel prevents us from determining whether there is anything in his hand.

That Guy: Do you see anything in his hand? No. So we know there is nothing there.

Audience: That isn't how this works.

That Guy: I don't want to argue semantics.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Scenario: A magician is holding a prop behind a towel, so that the audience cannot see it.

Magician: There is nothing in my hand. If there were, you could see it.

Audience: All we can see is the towel, which is concealing whether there is anything in your hand.

Magician: I realize that the towel has concealing properties, but, for all you know, there is nothing in my hand.

That Guy: There is nothing in his hand. All we can see is the towel.

Audience: The towel prevents us from determining whether there is anything in his hand.

That Guy: Do you see anything in his hand? No. So we know there is nothing there.

Audience: That isn't how this works.

That Guy: I don't want to argue semantics.

100%. Thank you.

 

[Chaplin]

100%. Thank you.

Simplistic much?? At least come up with a better example. Good lord.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Simplistic much?? At least come up with a better example. Good lord.

Uh it is that simple. That’s kinda the point.

 

[Chaplin]

Uh it is that simple. That’s kinda the point.

Whatever Ouchie. You get the last word. Congratulations.

 

[devilalum]

Whatever Ouchie. You get the last word. Congratulations.

You can’t tell somebody they get the last word.


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[AzStevenCal]

You can’t tell somebody they get the last word.

Zyzzyva. The last word.

 

[devilalum]

Zyzzyva. The last word.

Ok fine. I’ll let you have the last word.


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[AzStevenCal]

Ok fine. I’ll let you have the last word.

Woo hoo. I finally got the last word and just 7 or 8 years ago I won an internet argument. I am so on a roll.

 

[devilalum]

Woo hoo. I finally got the last word and just 7 or 8 years ago I won an internet argument. I am so on a roll.

So glad I could help you out.


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[AZ Native]

You can’t tell somebody they get the last word.


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I get the last word with my wife all the time, yes dear.

 

[Covert Rain]

Are we there yet?

 

[Hoop Head]

It feels like groundhogs day with this suspension. Like we're forever a handful of games away from his return.

 

[Mainstreet]

It feels like groundhogs day with this suspension. Like we're forever a handful of games away from his return.

It seems like it has been 8 games for awhile now. The Suns have no buffer at FC.

 

[Superbone]

Are we there yet?

15 more days and only 7 more games (without him).

 

[BC867]

We expect Ayton to make a difference just by his presence. And
alleviate our problem of not enough skilled, healthy big men.

But I hope that no one expects instant gratification. Ayton will
need time, not only to work his way back into game shape . . .

But also to take the next step and rise to his potential as #1
draft pick, plus find his niche as a defender. Some say that he
would best be used as a perimeter defender, which requires a
Power Forward alongside him who can defend the interior.

 

[95pro]

We expect Ayton to make a difference just by his presence. And
alleviate our problem of not enough skilled, healthy big men.

But I hope that no one expects instant gratification. Ayton will
need time, not only to work his way back into game shape . . .

But also to take the next step and rise to his potential as #1
draft pick, plus find his niche as a defender. Some say that he
would best be used as a perimeter defender, which requires a
Power Forward alongside him who can defend the interior.

His presence alone will make a world of difference. Having someone that tall in the paint while giving us some roster flexibility. I only expect 20-25 minutes to start with. What i'm concerned about is his stamina because he had issues last year with it, then the suspension. I'm guessing the stamina/conditioning and the suspension are intertwined.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Getting both Baynes AND Ayton back should be huge.