Is Igor Steve Wilks?

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I gave Igor the benefit of the doubt, but I'm beginning to believe so.

I wonder how many more wins Budenholzer would have?
 

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I gave Igor the benefit of the doubt, but I'm beginning to believe so.

I wonder how many more wins Budenholzer would have?
Yup me too. I’ve held off killing him in the board and may have even defended him (can’t recall) due to all the youth and lack of pg. but at this stage I see very little growth or team elements being displayed. The fact that the team still routinely falls behind by 20 (and sometimes 30) makes it difficult to reconcile how he can be doing a good job.
 

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It's too bad the Suns do not have Michael Bidwill to bail them out.
 

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You're being awfully unfair... to Steve Wilks.
 

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Did we really need another thread for this? How many Igor bashing threads are necessary, seriously? This wouldn't fit in "Igor's 'System'", "Who should coach the Suns next year", Igor's Substitutions against the Warriors, or "Igor's future with the Suns"? It's not like the "Igor = Wilks" comment hasn't been made dozens of times already. I'm not defending Igor or saying he's a good coach but at this point virtually every thread has turned into Igor bashing and then here's yet another thread that doesn't offer anything new.
 

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Unfortunately, I don’t see Sarver paying another head coach to go away. And I have no faith they’d get the next hire right.
 

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As someone that doesn't follow football/Cards, can someone summarize what equating Igor to Steve Wilks actually implies?

They're both bad first year coaches and I think those who make the comparison would also say they're stuck in their ways and won't adjust to personnel they have. It's not particularly creative but everyone who says it seems to think they're the first to make the comparison and have come up with some sort of genius parallel between the Cardinals and Suns.
 

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As someone that doesn't follow football/Cards, can someone summarize what equating Igor to Steve Wilks actually implies?
Means we’re going to fire Igor to hire a recently fired coach from the college ranks.
 

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I am almost already out. I am trying to be a fan, but it is just so hard to care any more.

Booker is the biggest disappointment lately. He just gets points. He does not make his team better. In fact, he makes them worse. Ayton is just OK. But that is a disapointment for a #1 pick. I am posting less and less and reading less and less on this board because it is so stinking depressing.
 

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I am almost already out. I am trying to be a fan, but it is just so hard to care any more.

Booker is the biggest disappointment lately. He just gets points. He does not make his team better. In fact, he makes them worse. Ayton is just OK. But that is a disapointment for a #1 pick. I am posting less and less and reading less and less on this board because it is so stinking depressing.

have to agree about Booker. he has to just be the go-to-guy until a strong leader can show him how to lead

to me, Ayton is not a disappointing #1, he's just a disappointing Ayton -- not maximizing his abilities -- needs guidance

and i guess i'm the opposite, posting more and more because it's "stinking depressing"
and i likebelieve the problems are fixable.

i like this roster more than prior rosters the past couple of years
 

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1. Bad leadership? Check.

2. Disorganization and miscommunication on the court/field? Check

3. No commitment to change and adapt? Check

4. Awful press conferences? Check

5. No energy? Check

Yep, the Serbian Steve Wilks.
 

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As someone that doesn't follow football/Cards, can someone summarize what equating Igor to Steve Wilks actually implies?

Basically Steve Wilks is the worst coach in NFL history. A complete bumbling fool WAY over his head, who did not know how to modify his game plan, and kept doing the same things that were not working over and over again. Till the end he put all the blame on the players not executing correctly.

While I am beginning to wonder about Igor's competence, comparing him to Wilks is in my opinion ridiculous hyperbole.
 

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I am almost already out. I am trying to be a fan, but it is just so hard to care any more.

Booker is the biggest disappointment lately. He just gets points. He does not make his team better. In fact, he makes them worse. Ayton is just OK. But that is a disapointment for a #1 pick. I am posting less and less and reading less and less on this board because it is so stinking depressing.
This sums up exactly how I feel as well.

And I’d guess we’re not alone.

Sports is supposed to be entertainment and there’s just not much entertaining about the Suns.
 

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That's fine. They'll still be here when/if you get bored and want to watch a game...
 

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I said back at Thanksgiving this guy was Wilks. Sad that us Fans usually catch this stuff before the guys who get paid.
 

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Never thought I'd miss the Marbury Suns so much. Hell I'd take any past team over this crap. Only thing that gives me hope is the Talent of our youngsters and Booker is not part of the group. Time to make that move I think
 

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Never thought I'd miss the Marbury Suns so much. Hell I'd take any past team over this crap. Only thing that gives me hope is the Talent of our youngsters and Booker is not part of the group. Time to make that move I think

No, it isn't time to make that move. He's 22 years old, playing through injuries and out of position yet he's still putting up incredible numbers. What kind of return do you think we can get for a player who is only making 3.3 million right now? If, IF, we decide to trade him, this is definitely NOT the time to make that move. You wait until his salary, which explodes next season, can bring back real value.
 

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No, it isn't time to make that move. He's 22 years old, playing through injuries and out of position yet he's still putting up incredible numbers. What kind of return do you think we can get for a player who is only making 3.3 million right now? If, IF, we decide to trade him, this is definitely NOT the time to make that move. You wait until his salary, which explodes next season, can bring back real value.
Of course couldn't trade him now if we wanted to
 

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PG: KJ, Kidd, Nash
PF: Chambers, Barkley, Stoudemire

Now we have everything but those two positions. Pick any point guard and power forward from these and add them to our current team. Cotton or Westphal coaching, not 'antoni because he doesn't develop rookies.
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Going to find some vhs reruns, I miss winning.
 

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No, it isn't time to make that move. He's 22 years old, playing through injuries and out of position yet he's still putting up incredible numbers. What kind of return do you think we can get for a player who is only making 3.3 million right now? If, IF, we decide to trade him, this is definitely NOT the time to make that move. You wait until his salary, which explodes next season, can bring back real value.
Can’t keep excusing his play on his injuries when he’s constantly injured.

I don’t understand why more people don’t see durability as an attribute just like shooting, passing, defending etc. It’s actually more important than all those attributes and Booker lacks it.

I’d make a small wager that he’s gonna be playing through injuries for the rest of his career because the guy’s just beyond injury prone. If trading him now before perhaps it’s even more noticeable is the move to make then so be it.
 

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Can’t keep excusing his play on his injuries when he’s constantly injured.

I don’t understand why more people don’t see durability as an attribute just like shooting, passing, defending etc. It’s actually more important than all those attributes and Booker lacks it.

I’d make a small wager that he’s gonna be playing through injuries for the rest of his career because the guy’s just beyond injury prone. If trading him now before perhaps it’s even more noticeable is the move to make then so be it.

Well, if you'll check this forum you'll see I've been concerned and talking about his injuries since his rookie year. I agree they are a problem. And I'd have no problem if we decided to move on from him because of his training habits or whatever it is that leads him to be so susceptible to injury. But, when posters suggest he's overrated or not that good, I think it's appropriate to point out that we aren't seeing Booker at his best. And even if we decide that injuries will likely keep us from seeing him at his best very often, trading him while he's only making 3 million a year is not a smart move.
 

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Well, if you'll check this forum you'll see I've been concerned and talking about his injuries since his rookie year. I agree they are a problem. And I'd have no problem if we decided to move on from him because of his training habits or whatever it is that leads him to be so susceptible to injury. But, when posters suggest he's overrated or not that good, I think it's appropriate to point out that we aren't seeing Booker at his best. And even if we decide that injuries will likely keep us from seeing him at his best very often, trading him while he's only making 3 million a year is not a smart move.
This might not be a good time to trade Devin, as you say.

But even a great player not at his best half of the time (even less this season) doesn't help the team any more than a marginal player all of the time.

How I've wished that he could be returned to his Shooting Guard position to see what his ongoing level of performance would be.

It is incomprehensible that management hasn't been able to resolve it. Of course with our weak General Manager rotation, it is not so incomprehensible. It is downright stupid!
 

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