Pace-of-play changes coming soon?

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[Kel Varnsen]

I hope they don’t have pitch clocks.

 

[Ronin]

Jon Morosi
@jonmorosi

MLBPA has decided that it won’t agree to @MLB proposal on pitch clock and pace-of-play rule changes, source confirms @Ken_Rosenthal report. @MLBNetwork

 

[Ronin]

Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal

Sources: Players’ union formally rejected MLB’s pace-of-play proposal today. Manfred, who has power to unilaterally implement pitch clock, not giving up making an agreement.

 

[gimpy]

If they want to speed up the game, they need to enforce the actual strike zone, I think.

 

[Ronin]

Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal

Commissioner Rob Manfred and union chief Tony Clark will meet on pace of play next week, sources tell The Athletic. Gap between sides remains significant and likely prohibitive. Manfred maintains right to implement initial proposal by MLB. Union rejected upgraded proposal.

 

[AZCrazy]

Does the players union want people not to bother watching the games? I LOVE baseball and it's impossible to sit through.

 

[Dback Jon]

Does the players union want people not to bother watching the games? I LOVE baseball and it's impossible to sit through.

No kidding. From both the players and managers, a quickening of the pace would help out immensely

 

[BC867]

No kidding. From both the players and managers, a quickening of the pace would help out immensely

I've wondered if the batters needing to re-do the straps on their batting gloves is necessary after every pitch, even if they don't swing at it. What next? Tying their shoes after each pitch? Then the pitchers react to throw off their timing. An on and on. Where will it all lead? To the batters and pitchers pulling down their pants after each pitch to adjust their cups?

It has become part of the one-upmanship between batter and pitcher. It needs the League office to take them both down (speed them up) a few notches.

As a traditionalist, I did not agree with the no-pitch intentional walk, but I admit it has helped the game. But that might happen a few at-bats per game. Timing the pitcher, who initiates each play, would happen on every single pitch. That comes to what? Over 300 per game?

 

[Daniel Edwards]

I'd like to see fewer pitches in between innings. If a pitcher is replaced due to injury then they get all they need, as it is now.

If you've been warming up in the bullpen you get 2, maybe 3 pitches then "batter up". The mounds should not be that different to warrant more throws to familiarize yourself.

Pitchers returning to the mound after your team bats: You get 1 pitch per batter you sat out for, with the ump allowing more or less if deemed so. If your bats go 3 up and 3 down you probably didn't sit there very long.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

I like the proposed changes. I don't care so much about game length and while I typically enjoy the leisurely aspect of baseball, they just stretch out every moment too far

So much more enjoyable when there is a good pace to them

 

[Ronin]

Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal

Players quoted in pace-of-play story make it clear they are NOT opposed to change. They just disagree with MLB on what changes should be made. (link: https://theathletic.com/218309/2018/01/21/rosenthal-roundtable-five-mlb-players-weigh-in-on-the-pace-of-play-rules-and-the-need-for-change/) theathletic.com/218309/2018/01… $

 

[AZCB34]

I've wondered if the batters needing to re-do the straps on their batting gloves is necessary after every pitch, even if they don't swing at it. What next? Tying their shoes after each pitch? Then the pitchers react to throw off their timing. An on and on. Where will it all lead? To the batters and pitchers pulling down their pants after each pitch to adjust their cups?

It has become part of the one-upmanship between batter and pitcher. It needs the League office to take them both down (speed them up) a few notches.

As a traditionalist, I did not agree with the no-pitch intentional walk, but I admit it has helped the game. But that might happen a few at-bats per game. Timing the pitcher, who initiates each play, would happen on every single pitch. That comes to what? Over 300 per game?

Don't let them leave the box at all and that will slow if not outright stop the glove stuff. The batter is simply using the glove thing as a way to give them a moment to think about what the pitcher is doing next.

Pitcher cannot leave the mound during an AB unless it is to field a ball in play would speed things up too and those things should speed up every AB.

Fall League games had a pitch clock and both games I attended went less than 3 hours and both had a fairly high number of runs scored.

 

[gimpy]

I still think, as I said earlier, that expanding, or at least calling the strike zone as it was originally intended, can possibly help shorten the games. It does this by the pitchers throwing more strikes (and fewer balls), thus more strike outs, fewer walks. The pitcher doesn't have to groove the pitches right down the middle, thus giving the batters an advantage to get more hits/home runs.

It would take away from the offense and make more of a pitchers game, but should decrease the game times.

At least it makes some sense to me.

 

[BC867]

I still think, as I said earlier, that expanding, or at least calling the strike zone as it was originally intended, can possibly help shorten the games. It does this by the pitchers throwing more strikes (and fewer balls), thus more strike outs, fewer walks. The pitcher doesn't have to groove the pitches right down the middle, thus giving the batters an advantage to get more hits/home runs.

It would take away from the offense and make more of a pitchers game, but should decrease the game times.

At least it makes some sense to me.

But fans wants to see runs scored vs. pitchers throwing strikeouts. I think the League has to work around that to speed up the games.

 

[Ronin]

Jon Morosi‏Verified account@jonmorosi 14m14 minutes ago
OFFICIAL: @MLB will *not* have a pitch clock or between-batter timer in 2018, "in order to provide players with an opportunity to speed up the game without the use of those timers," per league announcement. @MLBNetwork

 

[Ronin]

Jon Morosi‏Verified account@jonmorosi 12m12 minutes ago
Significant @MLB rule change for 2018: "Mound visits without a pitching change shall be limited to six per team, per nine innings. For any extra-innings played, each Club shall be entitled to one additional non-pitching change mound visit per inning." @MLBNetwork

Jon Morosi‏Verified account@jonmorosi 11m11 minutes ago
Important @MLB rule exception: "Home plate umpire may, upon request of the catcher, allow the catcher to make a brief mound visit" if six visits have been exhausted and umpire believes a cross-up in signs occurred. Union has been concerned about cross-up injury risk. @MLBNetwork

Jon Morosi‏Verified account@jonmorosi 7m7 minutes ago
Key detail: @MLB won't issue ball-strike penalties for violations of pace-of-play rules. However, "players who consistently or flagrantly violate the time limits will be subject to progressive discipline for just cause" by commissioner. That could include fines. @MLBNetwork

 

[Ronin]

Bob Nightengale‏Verified account@BNightengale 3m3 minutes ago
Pitchers can take as many warm-up pitches as he wants, must deliver final warm-up pitch at least 20 seconds prior to the end of an inning break or pitching change.

 

[Ronin]

Buster Olney
@Buster_ESPN

About the mound visits rule and possible discipline: The umpire is empowered to enforce the rules up to and including ejection from the game. The MLB baseball ops can also discipline players separately. @GolicAndWingo

 

[Ronin]

Jeff Fletcher‏Verified account@JeffFletcherOCR
Commissioner Rob Manfred just said that if a catcher or coach makes a 7th visit, there would have to be a pitching change.

 

[BC867]

Jeff Fletcher‏Verified account@JeffFletcherOCR
Commissioner Rob Manfred just said that if a catcher or coach makes a 7th visit, there would have to be a pitching change.

I wonder who is going to keep track of that. The umpires or the MLB office in Secaucus NJ?

 

[Ronin]

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Jesse Rogers
@ESPNChiCubs

Joe Torre says the umpire will tell a catcher to get back behind the plate if he attempts to violate the 6 mound visit rule...if he keeps going it could lead to an ejection, etc. MLB hoping doesn't get to that

 

[Ronin]

Bob Nightengale

✔ @BNightengale



The players today believe that competitiveness among clubs would greatly improve the game’s entertainment value far more than shaving time with a pitch clock. There’s one-third of the teams who are tanking or simply not trying to win.