RB driven NFL

[THESMEL]

Jim Brown still rules yardage per game but I was surprised 3 young backs are in the top 10 all time in yards per game- AP- Arian Foster and Chris Johnson

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rush_yds_per_g_career.htm

I really thought Beanie would start and take a run at Jim Brown's average per attempt and game average records. but He didn't start and has been hurt- so I'm still hoping for a single season per game/attempt average.

Jim Brown (27)and Mercury Morris(26) Jamaal Charles (24)averaged 6.4 yards per attempt for a season.

OJ averaged 143.1 per game at 27 years old.

He is starting and should be healthy-
Beanie is 23 with broken dreams and attitude. I can't see him setting his goals any less.

http://www.nfl.com/player/beaniewells/79661/profile

 

[Krangodnzr]

Are you completely divorced from reality? Beanie Wells is a middling NFL back.

And the NFL is far from a RB driven league....

 

[Buckybird]

Are you completely divorced from reality?

You answered your own question

 

[Goodyear Card]

=Y

Are you completely divorced from reality?

the short answer would
be YES

 

[THESMEL]

you feed him 25 carries a game and we go the playoffs these last 2 years. with Matt Leinart- DA- Skelton- Kolb- I'm not sure about that with- Hall- Bartell- Croyal- So GB won it passing

GB won SB without running- but that is the exception not the rule!
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/20110...gn=GC_schedule_rr#tab=analyze&menu=highlights

 

[Darkside]

It's pretty much the rule dude. Even the Giants SB's X 2 their running game sucked bad. Patriots, no running game. Steelers in 08, crappy running game (in fact, their offensive line was considered the worst in football). Packers, no running game, Saints, no running game.

Absolutely none of those teams handed it off to a single back 25+ times per game the way you suggest.

That's 6 years of SB's, we can probably go back 10 or 15 even. It's the rule man.

 

[vinnymac]

It's pretty much the rule dude. Even the Giants SB's X 2 their running game sucked bad. Patriots, no running game. Steelers in 08, crappy running game (in fact, their offensive line was considered the worst in football). Packers, no running game, Saints, no running game.

Absolutely none of those teams handed it off to a single back 25+ times per game the way you suggest.

That's 6 years of SB's, we can probably go back 10 or 15 even. It's the rule man.

The Saints hadd a balance game. A running game is key when you don't have a tom bradey, a Payton Manning, or a Aaron Rodger. We all know know that. Plus Peyton Manning made his living off of Play Action.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I saw a stat once that was interesting:

Over the Super Bowl era, one 2 or 3 teams that didn't lead the team in passer rating differential won a Super Bowl. And those 2 or 3 teams were in the top five.

Passer rating differential is a statistic which takes a teams passer rating and balances it against how well the stop the pass. What this suggests is that running the ball and stopping the run has always been overstated. And this makes sense, because you generally gain more yardage from passing plays.

 

[THESMEL]

When Peyton Manning actually WON HIS SB
THEY RAN 42 TIMES with 38 passes!
The Bears had 19 runs with 28 passes

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/20070...ts@bears?icampaign=GC_schedule_rr#tab=analyze


NY 28 runs to 40 passes ----NE 19 to 41 passes.
GB 13 runs 39 passes -------Pitt 23 runs 40 passes
Saints 18 runs 39 passes-----Colts 19 rushes 45 passes
Pitt 25 runs 30 passes ------Cardinals 12 rushes 43 passes
Giants 26 runs to 34 passes - NE 16 runs to 48 passes

Seems to me winners pass in the 30's and losers pass in the 40's and many change their character for the Superbowl.

In 2004 when NE actually wON the Superbowl
they ran 28 times with 33 passes.

When Peyton Manning actually WON HIS SB
THEY RAN 42 TIMES with 38 passes!

 

[Phrazbit]

You feed Beanie the ball 25 times per game and he is probably in the ICU for the last 18 months.

Even if Beanie were that good (and he isnt even remotely close) he hasnt been able to stay healthy while getting half that many carries.

And the Colts running the ball a lot in their superbowl win probably had something to do with the lead they built while passing the ball... just a thought.

 

[HookemCards]

When Peyton Manning actually WON HIS SB
THEY RAN 42 TIMES with 38 passes!
The Bears had 19 runs with 28 passes

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/20070...ts@bears?icampaign=GC_schedule_rr#tab=analyze


NY 28 runs to 40 passes ----NE 19 to 41 passes.
GB 13 runs 39 passes -------Pitt 23 runs 40 passes
Saints 18 runs 39 passes-----Colts 19 rushes 45 passes
Pitt 25 runs 30 passes ------Cardinals 12 rushes 43 passes
Giants 26 runs to 34 passes - NE 16 runs to 48 passes

Seems to me winners pass in the 30's and losers pass in the 40's and many change their character for the Superbowl.

In 2004 when NE actually wON the Superbowl
they ran 28 times with 33 passes.

When Peyton Manning actually WON HIS SB
THEY RAN 42 TIMES with 38 passes!

So if you total all the plays for all the teams in the last 5 SBs, you'll find that those 10 teams ran the ball 33 percent of the time. These are the best teams in football, and they are passing 67 percent of the time.

On top of that the winners of those SBs ran the ball 37 percent of the time, and passed 63 percent.

Beanie was right around Shon Green and Willis McGahee statistically in carries and ypc which says alot to me. On top of that, he hasn't managed to stay healthy in any season, even given his reduced workload by the "idiot calling plays" and you want to increase his carries?? He's probably around the 10 to 12 range in terms of RBs in the NFL, which I'm fine with. The fact that you mention him in the same breath as Jim Brown, OJ Simpson (even if he is a killer), and Arian Foster (who maybe a bit overrated) just shows how delusional you are when it comes to Beanie.

Man I know you're passionate about the Cards, but your constant bashing of Whisenhunt because he cut Leinart (who hasn't secured a starting job anywhere), and doesn't run Wells (who is constantly dinged as it is) enough just gets old and tiresome.

 

[vinnymac]

Last season the Cardinals couldn't move the ball unless Beanie was running the ball well. Bottom line the Cardinals do not have an eliete QB. They need to be able to run the ball to make the offense go. We are not the Patroits or the Packers. We are the Cardinals. The Houston Texans are one of the best running teams in the NFL. When they got down to there 3rd string qb last they still ran the ball to win their division for the first time in team history. The reason they didn't go to the superbowl is because their 3rd string qb threw 2 or 3 interception.

 

[THESMEL]

Cards TOO

It is obvious that rush attempts per game to keep a defense 2 dimension - regardless of average yards per play or game is the best indicator of success in the NFL. passing freaks refuse to talk about it, loud mouth WR's, DB's, Qb's and pass rushers rule the air waves.

The pass happy team were one and done with the exception of the Patriots, Alex Smith is a playoff QB with many rush attempts, He is a scrub with too many pass attempts.

Tim Tebow is a GOD with many rush attempts even with a low average, I don't know how any of the talking heads in their right mind- can deny that he took the Broncos to and well into the playoffs- with a 1 dimensional run offense- and little to no QB talent! Look at the great QB's sitting at home! Tebow tricked them with the pass!

Big Ben passed too much and went home! Defenses are weak at run defense overall! The Giants were balanced in run and pass attempts forcing defenses to to remain diciplined in a base defense rather than the nickle or the dime!

The Saints passed their ass off and lost! NE was the exception but used TE's cause their Welker can be stopped, the run still rules look at the stats. the stats don't lie-Bean can force a defense to not cheat on Fitz, It is amazing how many defenses keep 8 in the box on the Cardinals as much as we pass?

It is not a freak that Fitz's yards per catch exploded when the playcaller ran the ball 24th in the NFL rather than last in attempts and yardage as in the last few years.

The Saints were 15th in pass attempts per game in thier SB regular season with yardage passing records!

The Cardinals were 9th out 12 in pass attempts in the 2008 post season! 5th in run attempts including that stupid 10 carry superbowl with a 99 yard int return at half time! Stupid 14 point swing as time ran out- Harrison said He could not believe we were passing! Now we were 2nd in passing attempts as we stunk up the 2nd half of the regular season in 2008, of course last in rush attempts and rush yardage regular season, 08-09-10 That is how you kill kurt! and ruin Levi!

The Cards won in spite of Haley not because of Haley. He really sucked as the chiefs head coach with Cassel now he wants ben to pass less! Ben will kill that quick strike high energy defense with 3 and outs- watch and see.

link
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...efensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=true

oops we were 28th in attempts per game
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...efensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=true

Last season the Cardinals couldn't move the ball unless Beanie was running the ball well. Bottom line the Cardinals do not have an eliete QB. They need to be able to run the ball to make the offense go. We are not the Patroits or the Packers. We are the Cardinals. The Houston Texans are one of the best running teams in the NFL. When they got down to there 3rd string qb last they still ran the ball to win their division for the first time in team history. The reason they didn't go to the superbowl is because their 3rd string qb threw 2 or 3 interception.

 

[Gee!]

Im actually starting to feel bad for Mel

 

[Krangodnzr]

Im actually starting to feel bad for Mel

The mind is a terrible thing to lose.

Occasionally I click view post on his posts and I always walk away worse off.

 

[THESMEL]

So the Niners are wrong? they destroyed us went to the NFCC running the GD ball with Alex freaking Smith! Maybe you should concentrate on feeling sorry for Mike Miller or Whiz!

Denver was wrong? as they stomped and clodded themselves into the playoffs with no pass game? What the hell are you guys talking about?

Harbaugh schooled Whiz on how to win the west consistantly with less talent- just like the other Harbaugh in Baltimore! I'll pass on the playoff's whiz says.

Look at this truth-
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/20120...gn=GC_schedule_rr#tab=analyze&menu=highlights

 

[Duckjake]

So the Niners are wrong? they destroyed us went to the NFCC running the GD ball with Alex freaking Smith! Maybe you should concentrate on feeling sorry for Mike Miller or Whiz!

Denver was wrong? as they stomped and clodded themselves into the playoffs with no pass game? What the hell are you guys talking about?

Harbaugh schooled Whiz on how to win the west consistantly with less talent- just like the other Harbaugh in Baltimore! I'll pass on the playoff's whiz says.

Look at this truth-
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/20120...gn=GC_schedule_rr#tab=analyze&menu=highlights

Whisenhunt has two NFC West championships. Harbaugh one.

Destroyed us? The Cards beat the 49ers in the second game last season. The only reason the 4and9ers won the first game was that it was Skelton's first start in 9 months. Second time around Double Deuce showed Harbaugh which team was going to have to be reckoned with to win the NFC West consistently with 3 TD passes and a 106.5 passer rating.

Ray Horton will also have a little to say about who is going to control the NFC West.

As for the Broncos there aren't too many QBs in the NFL who can rush for 660 yards in one season. If our QBs had rushed for 660 yards we'd have had more rushing yards last season than SF!

 

[THESMEL]

kind of sorta

Yea that was stupid on the Niners- played out of character - Stupid Niners - forgot to run and actually thought Alex Smith was a good QB for a minute! I loved that win.

Gore had 10 carries for 72 - 7.2 yard average while Smith went 19 for 37 and 175 yards! proving my point exactly.
Niners defense rushed the passer off the bat and took Kolb out for the rest of the season! freeze the tape at the 12 second mark to see the empty backfield 5 receiver set that got Kolb finished for 2011, just like it got Kurt finished for his career.

Then look at the 40 second mark and the play action freeze the Niners defense for the Doucet TD. With the king size Fitz block. both interceptions the Niners never defended the run at all.

The Bean had 15 carries for 27 yards and a 1.8 ypc, but Niners defense defended the run as they were up 21 to 9 in the 3rd 1/4! It still helped wear out the defense in the 4th 1/4. Do you give any credit for the 15 carries that kept the Niners defense honest? You'll never see them on sportscenter but I watch whole game.

They want to keep us 1 dimensional! Because if we establish the run we are a better team than them. Loved Skelton's moxy while behind. I know Larry is the man - but lets not let them double and triple team him every down. We did finally have a 4 play drive to start the 3rd 1/4! it was still under 2 minutes! poor Cardinals defense.


link
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011121110/2011/REG14/49ers@cardinals#tab=analyze&menu=highlights

Whisenhunt has two NFC West championships. Harbaugh one.

Destroyed us? The Cards beat the 49ers in the second game last season. The only reason the 4and9ers won the first game was that it was Skelton's first start in 9 months. Second time around Double Deuce showed Harbaugh which team was going to have to be reckoned with to win the NFC West consistently with 3 TD passes and a 106.5 passer rating.

Ray Horton will also have a little to say about who is going to control the NFC West.

As for the Broncos there aren't too many QBs in the NFL who can rush for 660 yards in one season. If our QBs had rushed for 660 yards we'd have had more rushing yards last season than SF!

 

[gmabel830]

Not that most people need statistics to know that the premise of this thread is completely ridiculous, but I thought I'd provide some anyway.

Below is a list of the 9 teams with double digit win totals this year, followed by their record, team passing ranking, and team rushing ranking.

Green Bay - 15-1 -3 - 27 (pass ranking > rush ranking)
New England - 13-3 - 2 - 20 (pass > rush)
New Orleans - 13-3 - 1 - 6 (pass > rush)
San Francisco - 13-3 - 29 - 8 (rush > pass)
Baltimore - 12-4 - 19 - 10 (rush > pass)
Pittsburgh - 12-4 - 10 - 14 (pass ranking > rush)
Detroit - 10-6 - 4 - 29 (pass > rush)
Atlanta - 10-6 - 8 - 17 (pass > rush)
Houston - 10-6 - 18 - 2 (rush > pass)

Of the nine teams with at least 10 wins last year, 6 of the 9 had a team passing ranking that exceeded their team rushing ranking in teams of offensive team rankings.

Further, 4 out of the 5 top passing teams in the league had at least 10 wins, while only 1 out of the top 5 rushing teams in the league had at least 10 wins. The other 4 teams in the top 5 in team rushing:

Denver 8-8
Carolina 6-10
Minnesota 3-13
Philly 8-8

Yep, definitely a RB driven league!

 

[Duckjake]

but Niners defense defended the run as they were up 21 to 9 in the 3rd 1/4!

You must watch the whole game instead of highlights in a parallel universe because the 49ers have never been up 21-9 in the 3rd Q in any game vs Arizona since CKW became head coach. The 49ers were up 19-7 in game two for the 3:11 seconds it took Double Deuce to drive the Cards 80 yards to make it 19-14. Which was our first drive of the 3rd quarter and took 7 plays not four. And yeah poor Cardinal Defense. The 49ers had one first down the rest of the game after the Fitzgerald TD.

 

[Darkside]

Not that most people need statistics to know that the premise of this thread is completely ridiculous, but I thought I'd provide some anyway.

Below is a list of the 9 teams with double digit win totals this year, followed by their record, team passing ranking, and team rushing ranking.

Green Bay - 15-1 -3 - 27 (pass ranking > rush ranking)
New England - 13-3 - 2 - 20 (pass > rush)
New Orleans - 13-3 - 1 - 6 (pass > rush)
San Francisco - 13-3 - 29 - 8 (rush > pass)
Baltimore - 12-4 - 19 - 10 (rush > pass)
Pittsburgh - 12-4 - 10 - 14 (pass ranking > rush)
Detroit - 10-6 - 4 - 29 (pass > rush)
Atlanta - 10-6 - 8 - 17 (pass > rush)
Houston - 10-6 - 18 - 2 (rush > pass)

Of the nine teams with at least 10 wins last year, 6 of the 9 had a team passing ranking that exceeded their team rushing ranking in teams of offensive team rankings.

Further, 4 out of the 5 top passing teams in the league had at least 10 wins, while only 1 out of the top 5 rushing teams in the league had at least 10 wins. The other 4 teams in the top 5 in team rushing:

Denver 8-8
Carolina 6-10
Minnesota 3-13
Philly 8-8

Yep, definitely a RB driven league!

Nice. Disproves everything this thread contends.

 

[THESMEL]

new td dance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbUSyPJ6D4U&feature=fvwp


http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=MlNNBxSiJaY&feature=endscreen

Nice. Disproves everything this thread contends.